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    Samir.. .Technik... G-Power... and the blown motor saga getting cranked up

    Seems things have been turned up a notch:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Technik
    Perhaps the title of this post is wishful thinking, but I wanted to give an account of what actually happened since I was involved with supplying the kits for both cars. It seems some people felt the need to throw G-Power under the bus a while back in order to settle a personal dispute with other forum members. Since the misinformation being spread around the boards has gotten out of control, I would like to give a clear account of what happened with both of G-Power's US test cars and clear up any remaining confusion about the reliability of G-Power's E9X M3 SK2 supercharger kits. Please note, this has nothing to do with the SK1 systems or any SK2 systems running outside of the US.

    Iíve been an importer of ASA supercharger products since 2002 and have a close working relationship with the owners of ASA/G-Power (these companies merged not too long ago). I don't sell or develop products that I wouldn't install on my own personal cars, hence I've always tested ASA's (and now G-Power's) products on my own cars (whether it was an E46 330, E46 M3, E63 M6 or E92 M3). I do this to verify the quality of the products I develop, import and distribute. I can assure you that the hardware and software of G-Power's M3 production kits are not an issue at all. If there was something inherently wrong with the product, every engine would have given up the ghost by now. Clearly, thatís not the case since over 100 kits have been installed on E9X M3s around the world over the past 2 years (most of them in Europe, the UK and the UAE). Below is a pic of my current setup.

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    With respect to the E9X S65 SK2 supercharger system that ASA/G-Power developed for the US market, I purchased an E92 M3 back in January 09 to test it out and get an idea of the quality, reliability and overall performance (Iím also running their bi-kompressor system on my M6 and have not had any issues with it whatsoever). As of now, the M3 has about 9,000 miles on the clock with the SK2 kit and put down ~ 480WHP on 91 AKI and ~ 545WHP on 100 AKI @ 0.5bar of boost (about 7.5psi). G-Powerís new 91 AKI program has yielded additional gains of 20-30WHP in Germany and should be good for 500WHP+ on a Dynojet (Iíll be able to verify this once I flash the map I currently have with their latest 91 AKI file). I know 9K miles doesnít sound like much, but these havenít been ďbabiedĒ miles in the least. So far, I have not experienced any reliability issues nor an engine failure. The car has been running flawlessly and recently did a LA => Frisco => LA test run without a hitch (roughly 800 mile roundtrip).

    Now to the 2 cars that experienced engine failures, as many of you know, the first car belongs to Josh Shokri (tightie) and was boosted in April 09. Josh received a large discount on his SK2 kit and knew full well that his car was going to be one of the first "test mules". Part of the deal included him receiving various hardware and software upgrades throughout the testing process (including larger superchargers, different intake systems and software updates). The second car belonged to Jon Martin and was boosted in May. He also understood his car was a "tester" and would be used to evaluate the kit under different fuel grades, different compressor sizes and different software programs with more aggressive timing tables (he was also fully sponsored by G-Power). I know Josh has voiced his displeasure at times about the service he received; all I will say is there were a lot of people involved and communication did break down at times. Some of his qualms are valid and I donít intend to say that everything was always handled as it should have been, but at the end of the day these were test mules and both cars were fully repaired on G-Powerís tab (that should say something about G-Power as a company).

    As with any new product, there are always going to be "bugs" that need to be worked out, especially when dealing with different types of fuel. In the US, the main problem is fuel quality and octane availability. It's no secret that America is known for having some of the worst fuel in the world. Whether employed by BMW or a tuner like G-Power, this always creates challenges for engineers when developing high-compression engines and forced induction applications. G-Power does have access to 95 RON (91 AKI) in Europe, but they still wanted to see how different the actual fuel quality was and how that would affect the programming and boost settings they have calibrated for European cars vs. US cars.

    Essentially, they wanted to see what the highest limits were on the lowest common denominator of US fuel (91 AKI). They now have their answer. While nobody wants to experience an engine failure, this is sometimes the only way to know where the actual limit lies. When BMW blows an engine at the test track or even at the race track, it doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. You canít fault a company for simply pushing the limits and standing behind their product in the process. If anything, they should be commended for it, especially since the customers involved had their engines repaired at no cost to them.

    As any engineer will tell you, failures are a necessary part of the development process. This is why people shouldn't view this as a "negative", but merely the result of normal testing procedures designed to push the limits of boost, timing and fuel octane on 2 US test cars. This information has now been used to dial in the US production kits with the correct timing and boost settings that will be well within the failure threshold regardless of the fuel octane being used. If these were actual production kits that blew up dozens of engines, I would agree with the harsh skepticism that some have erroneously levied on G-Power's supercharger kit, but that's not what's going on here.

    So why did these engines fail? The answer is simple: too much spark advance, not enough octane. As has been discussed ad-nauseum in various threads, the MSS60/65 engine management system on the S65/S85 engines employs a different type of knock-control system, one based on measuring ion-flow across the sparkplugís electrode, as opposed to one based on piezoelectric accelerometers that measure the actual vibration or ďshockĒ of detonation (like the type of knock sensors found on previous generation M engines). In essence, the spark plug serves a dual purpose in this engine. It not only provides the spark necessary to drive combustion, but also helps the ECU determine whether knock is occurring based on the level of ionization produced inside the combustion chamber. It does this by applying voltage to the plug when it's not being fired during the power stroke.

    This type of knock detection system was never designed to work in conjunction with forced induction and can fail to work properly if subjected to high combustion temperatures for an extended period of time or under heavy loads (such as the track or dyno). Due to this, the ECUís ability to sense knock can be compromised on low octane fuel since combustion chamber temperatures rise significantly as more air is injected into the engine. This in turn can adversely affect the level of ionic current seen by the ECU across the sparkplug's electrode and cause it to stop working properly. If the DME doesnít detect knock properly, it will fail to retard timing enough to prevent piston failure. Since low octane fuel such as 91 AKI has a higher propensity to pre-ignite under higher temps/pressures, detonation can occur if the engine is pushed continuously under heavy loads (which Jonís and Joshís cars were).

    As a side note, I understand thereís a debate surrounding the use of methanol and FI on the S65 and whether that caused Joshís engine failure. I canít say for certain if that contributed to the piston damage, the juryís still out as to the effects of methanol on ion-sensing knock detection systems, but G-Power has told me their contacts within BMW have verified this as a no-no, especially with forced induction. Until there is hard scientific evidence to support this (not just hearsay), the debate will surely rage on as to the effect of meth injection on boosted S65s. Personally, I wouldn't run it with 91 AKI, not on this engine. There are simply too many question marks surrounding meth and ion-sensing knock detection. I'd rather run 100 AKI each time (which is what I've been doing).

    For those interested, hereís some more info on this type of knock detection system:
    http://www.fs.isy.liu.se/~larer/Projects/main.html
    http://tinyurl.com/m574m3
    http://www.dynotechusa.com/docs/spar...ionization.pdf

    Using the data from the 2 test cars, G-Power has now developed a new software update which limits the amount of spark advance to a safe level (regardless of the fuel octane being used) and richens up the fuel mixture in order to reduce combustion temps even further (as an added failsafe). You might ask why didnít G-Power do this from the beginning? The answer is they wanted to develop a software program that could be used with various types of octane, from 91 AKI to 100+ AKI. This way a customer could take advantage of being able to run both pump and race gas. With the new software update, race gas will not yield a major performance gain as timing is limited to a safe level designed for low-octane fuel only. Customers can still request the other program, but running anything less than 94 AKI will not be recommended as it will interfere with proper knock detection if subjected to heavy loads for an extended period of time.

    I know people have their loyalties to various brands and will have their opinions (right or wrong) regardless of what I say, so I'm not going to sit here day after day and try to "pump" G-Powerís products like a cheerleading shill. However, I will defend them when I know from personal experience that when the right type of fuel is used, their kits do not pose a danger in any way and are as bulletproof as can be. This is backed up by the cars running in Europe, the UK and the UAE (as well as my own personal car). Iíve been on these boards (and others) long enough to know that flame wars serve no purpose. Iím sure some will try to pick apart what Iíve written here, but I have no intention of getting into a pissing contest about which kit is better (thatís why you donít see me post very often). Iím simply stating what occurred since I was actually involved and dealt with the shop and customers that were part of this project last year.

    In the end, Iíd rather prove the kit works by putting miles on it myself (both track and street) and not waste time engaging in needless banter online. There is a AAA Dragway event open to the public on April 3rd in Fontana. I intend to run the M3 there and provide real world ľ mile timeslips. Other cars should take advantage of this as well. Even if youíre not confident in your ability to run a solid ET, posting a solid trap-speed is just as valuable. While VBox data is useful as a secondary benchmark, 0-400M is what people ultimately want to know and is IMO the primary metric to use when gauging a carís straight-line performance (whether ET, trap-speed or both).
    Tightie's response:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tightie
    I for one do not believe one word that comes out of Samir's mouth. I will do everything in my power to show the E9x members what kind of business you are running. I have never been so disrespected by a individual or company in this aftermarket business. I have tons of emails to back it up, heres one of my last emails with the oh so kind Samir. (Technik - Gpower USA)



    From: Rennsport Inc.
    Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM



    I see youíre still behaving like a complete idiot. I think by now the hole youíve dug for yourself could reach to the center of the earth. I never met you prior to this, I didnít organize the sale. Trust me, if I had, I would have realized the living nightmare I was getting myself into and never never never sold you anything, let alone a prototype kit. If you contact Chris or myself one more time, we will withdraw any sort of warranty coverage and you can pursue this in court, understand? I donít care what you do on the boards, itís already been soiled by you and Jon, so do you really think I give a $#@! at this point? If you hadnít tried to get Chris to stop doing business with me, I would have sympathy for you, but I have NONE, ZERO, NOT A $#@!ING OUNCE. As far as Iím concerned, you donít deserve anything. You can threaten me with whatever you want, as I said, one more email to Chris or myself and your car will fall into the blackhole that is Autotalent, believe that.


    I have tons, and tons of emails to support this matter. I'll tell you right now, if you treated me like a normal customer and didn't disrespect the living $#@! out of me, I wouldn't have done this.

    There is alot more where this came from.

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    There is a lot to digest here. So, I'll start by giving Samir a positive for this comment:
    I intend to run the M3 there and provide real world ľ mile timeslips. Other cars should take advantage of this as well. Even if you’re not confident in your ability to run a solid ET, posting a solid trap-speed is just as valuable. While VBox data is useful as a secondary benchmark, 0-400M is what people ultimately want to know and is IMO the primary metric to use when gauging a car’s straight-line performance (whether ET, trap-speed or both).
    That is absolutely my feeling as well. That is where our similarities end.

    Samir, Technik I should say, has a long history of shady business. Technik was in business, then out of business, then changed names, and now who knows what is really up. I won't put him in the RMS category, but, people should be aware of some things with the guy. My only dealing with him was when I ended up getting his stock front section of the M3 exhaust from a vendor who gave it to me because Samir had not paid his bill (and still has not).

    I know Josh and his saga fairly well, and the dude just wanted a running a car. G-power paid to fix it as they should have, because they blew it. Now, if the higher ups in G-power determined to cover it even though it had meth, what does that tell you? Secondly, I also said G-power was the wrong move early on but I am not going to sit here and live in the past, what was done is done.

    I can tell you this much, Samir has a very shady reputation and there is far more to this.

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    Sigh, if they would let me loose on that forum... oh if only for an hour:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BMWCadet
    From the email, it sounds to me as though you and your sidekick threw G-Power under a bus as soon as the engine went boom. You knew you had a prototype on your car and that there would be issues, yet all you saw was the discount you were getting for being the test dummy in the US and the publicity you got from that magazine article. You got exactly what you deserved. Oh and congrats on being the first owner with a S/C M3, hope it was worth it. You're lucky they replaced your engine.
    For the record, it was your beloved PencilGeek who threw Jonmartin and Tightie under the bus spreading e-mails and posting info about their motors when he learned of it through AutoTalent.

    Jonmartin and Josh were quiet about it, just wanting to get it resolved. It was Mr. Cannotkeephisfuckingmouthshut that spread it all over the place and made it public in an attempt to put down superchargers and imply the stroker was a better option.

    Why don't people get as angry about that as I do?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Sigh, if they would let me loose on that forum... oh if only for an hour:



    For the record, it was your beloved PencilGeek who threw Jonmartin and Tightie under the bus spreading e-mails and posting info about their motors when he learned of it through AutoTalent.

    Jonmartin and Josh were quiet about it, just wanting to get it resolved. It was Mr. Cannotkeephisfuckingmouthshut that spread it all over the place and made it public in an attempt to put down superchargers and imply the stroker was a better option.

    Why don't people get as angry about that as I do?
    +1 $#@! that dude whoever he is I never once talked $#@! about G-power on the boards and if if I did whatever I said must not have been that bad since I was offered another Free kit LOL and still drive a G-power s/c. So I dunno what the $#@! he's talking about. As you said before it was that douchebag moderator Pencil neck that decided to open his mouth about $#@! that didn't concern him and claimed I was covering $#@! up and lying about what the real story was even though I was just trying to get my car fixed and see how everything played out before I made a post about it but instead he took it upon himself to make that decision for me and try to make me look like a fraud in the process. Remember the statements that I was trying to commit insurance fraud LOL $#@! THAT GUY!

    Btw a bird told me PG got punked at Autotalent by someone recently Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Btw a bird told me PG got punked at Autotalent by someone recently Click here to enlarge
    Are you talking about when he ran into one of the guys from Powerchip and took off?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Are you talking about when he ran into one of the guys from Powerchip and took off?
    Nope waaay better then that..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Nope waaay better then that..
    You can't just tease like that, what happened?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Nope waaay better then that..
    oooo i want to know this hahaha
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tag824 Click here to enlarge
    guess i lost all my rep's... later bro's

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    I gotta ask if its ok to to name names and tell the story if Not I'll PM.

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    Why use customers cars as test mules? Haven't people realized yet that this usually never works out? And, if they were to be test mules, why were they not tested on a dyno, monitoring the motors vital signs and NOT allowing them to blow? You don't have to let motors blow to find their threshold as was posted in the OP, you can monitor them and make adjustments to prevent that, that's what tuning is isn't it?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
    Why use customers cars as test mules? Haven't people realized yet that this usually never works out? And, if they were to be test mules, why were they not tested on a dyno, monitoring the motors vital signs and NOT allowing them to blow? You don't have to let motors blow to find their threshold as was posted in the OP, you can monitor them and make adjustments to prevent that, that's what tuning is isn't it?
    To be perfectly honest... G-power just isn't that good. The kits were rushed out without testing and they make all these press releases without having anything to back it up.

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    i like how they moved the thread to the sponsor section.


    EDIT: they moved it back
    Last edited by shahsk; 03-19-2010 at 09:37 PM.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tag824 Click here to enlarge
    guess i lost all my rep's... later bro's

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    I gotta ask if its ok to to name names and tell the story if Not I'll PM.
    Just don't name all the names... now you have people curious Click here to enlarge

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    Technik conned me into a widebody 335 that fell apart in only 5 months... Not surprised

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shaunt Click here to enlarge
    Technik conned me into a widebody 335 that fell apart in only 5 months... Not surprised
    More details, what happened?

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    I was the only widebody Montego Blue 335i...

    I called up Technik, dealt with Sam(not Samir), forked over 14k for a $#@!ty bondo job and a horrible paint job because Samir was dealing with my car went AWOL so Sam had my car go to several bodyshops and ended up keeping my car for about 3 months more than we agreed upon. I receive the car, initially delighted but pissed to find out 3 weeks later that the rear bumper was falling off and the paint was rippling...


    I find it disappointing that Sam didn't check up on my car or at least refund because the condition was HORRIBLE, ended up salvaging the vehicle. I have much more gripes with Samir though

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shaunt Click here to enlarge
    I was the only widebody Montego Blue 335i...

    I called up Technik, dealt with Sam(not Samir), forked over 14k for a $#@!ty bondo job and a horrible paint job because Samir was dealing with my car went AWOL so Sam had my car go to several bodyshops and ended up keeping my car for about 3 months more than we agreed upon. I receive the car, initially delighted but pissed to find out 3 weeks later that the rear bumper was falling off and the paint was rippling...


    I find it disappointing that Sam didn't check up on my car or at least refund because the condition was HORRIBLE, ended up salvaging the vehicle. I have much more gripes with Samir though
    This isn't autotalent Sam is it?

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    Yep, autotalent sam

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Just don't name all the names... now you have people curious Click here to enlarge
    Basically someone he was talking $#@! about walked into Autotalent where Robert just happend to be at the same time.

    Robert tried to shake his hand and introduce himself.

    The person looked at basically told him " I'm not intrested in meeting you" and didn't shake his hand.

    Robert said "why is that"

    The person responded " because of the bull$#@! you wrote.... etc."

    Robert then said " I bet you want to kill me dont you "

    the person didn't even bother to respond and walked off. But someone else said more words were exchanged I don't know what exatly

    Thats about as much as I know. But bottomline he knows more people hate his ass and I'm sure he felt / looked pretty stupid with his hand stuck out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Basically someone he was talking $#@! about walked into Autotalent where Robert just happend to be at the same time.

    Robert tried to shake his hand and introduce himself.

    The person looked at basically told him " I'm not intrested in meeting you" and didn't shake his hand.

    Robert said "why is that"

    The person responded " because of the bull$#@! you wrote.... etc."

    Robert then said " I bet you want to kill me dont you "

    the person didn't even bother to respond and walked off. But someone else said more words were exchanged I don't know what exatly

    Thats about as much as I know. But bottomline he knows more people hate his ass and I'm sure he felt / looked pretty stupid with his hand stuck out.
    go figure, maybe that's what he wants. attention. you know they say there is no bad publicity Click here to enlarge
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    This is so much BS. I had the first kit from Gintani and I got the same discount Josh got and guess what my engine is still running...Now I give props to G power for at least standing behind their product. Thats a big plus for them. However as for this clown? Hes just hurting G power as far as I know and I dont know the guy personally but Ive seen how hes delt with Josh (who is a super nice guy) and its uncalled for. Hes lucky Josh isnt the type of guy that would hurt anyone. At the end of the Day Josh still paid for his kit, it wasnt free, discounted yes but he still cough up a lot of money and for Samir to treat him the way he did is wrong for anyone to do, I dont care who u r.

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    You've got a pair of brass ones, I'll give you that. I don't even know who you are but you seem keen on spreading lies about me. Why don't you back up what you say with actual proof? I find it funny that you go out of your way to post an entire thread about me regarding a post that was made in a different forum. Care to tell me where the obsession lies, cuz I've noticed you like to bash me in other forums as well.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Samir, Technik I should say, has a long history of shady business. Technik was in business, then out of business, then changed names, and now who knows what is really up.
    How have I been shady? I was very active on the E46fanatics boards back in the day, sponsored the performance section and sold a couple hundred M52TU/M54 SC kits that worked very well thanks to Jim Conforti's tuning. Out of a couple hundred customers, was every single one happy? Of course not. Show me one business that has a 100% customer satisfaction rate, I'd love to see it. I never went out of business, nor did I change names. I've always been "technik". Is tuning and developing BMW performance products my main occupation? Nope. Never was. I started as an enthusiast back in 2002, realized there was a void in the market (ie. E46 supercharger kits, headers, etc.) and developed a solid lineup of products that worked very well. I never half-assed anything, paid top dollar for great software tuning and introduced ASA's superchargers to the US market. The combination was a highly reliable kit that was very popular with E46 owners. Were there a few cars that had problems? Sure, not gonna deny that, but I always tried to rectify the problem as best I could. Sometimes people modded their kits outside of the specifications that I tuned them for, can't do anything about that.

    I won't put him in the RMS category, but, people should be aware of some things with the guy. My only dealing with him was when I ended up getting his stock front section of the M3 exhaust from a vendor who gave it to me because Samir had not paid his bill (and still has not).
    You call buying a part from a 3rd party as "dealing with me"? Are you delusional? Not paid my bill? WTF are you talking? RPI? Eloy gave me the exhaust to try out. There was never a "sale". In the end I purchased the entire system from him because I liked it. There was never an outstanding balance prior to that. He got paid and I actually bought a 2nd system from him as well. Get your facts straight before you pop off about things you clearly know nothing about.

    I know Josh and his saga fairly well, and the dude just wanted a running a car. G-power paid to fix it as they should have, because they blew it. Now, if the higher ups in G-power determined to cover it even though it had meth, what does that tell you?
    Sometimes its best to make a customer happy even if all the facts aren't known, especially when dealing with sponsored client that is trying out a new product. Most companies would have told Josh his engine wasn't covered due to adding a mod that wasn't recommended. G-Power actually stepped up and took care of him without ever knowing the circumstances that led to the failure on a competitor's dyno. In hindsight that was clearly the wrong move since Josh still went ahead and complained about it EVEN after his engine was repaired on GP's tab.

    Secondly, I also said G-power was the wrong move early on but I am not going to sit here and live in the past, what was done is done.
    Opinions and $#@!s, you know the saying? Over a 100 kits installed worldwide, that's all there is to say. I'll put my M3 up against anyone, anywhere, anytime.

    I can tell you this much, Samir has a very shady reputation and there is far more to this.
    Pot meet kettle? Keep drinking the haterade. I've always been out in the open, search my username at E46fanatics. I would define shady as someone hiding behind their username making false accusations and having a hard-on for someone they've never met personally.

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    Believe me, I never wanted to use a 19yo kid's M3 as a testbed for this SC. It was AutoTalent that took that initiative, which obviously turned out to be a major mistake.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
    Why use customers cars as test mules? Haven't people realized yet that this usually never works out? And, if they were to be test mules, why were they not tested on a dyno, monitoring the motors vital signs and NOT allowing them to blow? You don't have to let motors blow to find their threshold as was posted in the OP, you can monitor them and make adjustments to prevent that, that's what tuning is isn't it?

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    The kits weren't rushed out, they were already running for over year prior to that on cars in Europe and the UAE. The fuel quality in this country was the issue and is what ultimately led to the 2 failures. The new US software has reduced timing now to prevent this from happening again.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    To be perfectly honest... G-power just isn't that good. The kits were rushed out without testing and they make all these press releases without having anything to back it up.

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    So wait, I'm to blame because you dealt with Sam? How does that make any sense. He knew which bodyshop did my widebody 335, it's not like I was the one who actually did the work so why am I to blame for this?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shaunt Click here to enlarge
    I was the only widebody Montego Blue 335i...

    I called up Technik, dealt with Sam(not Samir), forked over 14k for a $#@!ty bondo job and a horrible paint job because Samir was dealing with my car went AWOL so Sam had my car go to several bodyshops and ended up keeping my car for about 3 months more than we agreed upon. I receive the car, initially delighted but pissed to find out 3 weeks later that the rear bumper was falling off and the paint was rippling...


    I find it disappointing that Sam didn't check up on my car or at least refund because the condition was HORRIBLE, ended up salvaging the vehicle. I have much more gripes with Samir though

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