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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    i don't buy these rumors. Look at spy videos , those shifting are too fast to be automatic
    check out 0:28
    maybe that was when they were testing the DCT to see if it would work?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Worth the wait Click here to enlarge
    Why are you guys so surprised.....

    When they released the E60 M5 it was initially only available with automatic. BMW eventually caved, but didn't the overall performance figures suffer a bit with the manual? I for one like auto now (old and lazy), but I certainly agree that ALL M cars should be designed and engineered around the three pedal set up!
    The M5 was never automatic.
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    Guy by the name of M5manny on twitter (twitter.com/m5manny) who works for BMW tweeted me this:

    @BimmerBoost As for a slushbox in the next M5, it's next Gen MDCT. But then again, what do I know ;-)
    He seems to think Motortrend is wrong and it will be a DCT. I hope he is right...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
    maybe that was when they were testing the DCT to see if it would work?
    Exactly, we know the DCT was being tested.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Exactly, we know the DCT was being tested.
    i don't think so , if they change the trans and make it a slushbox, it will take several months to test prototype cars.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    i don't think so , if they change the trans and make it a slushbox, it will take several months to test prototype cars.
    It depends how far along they were. Plus, they already know how the S63 reacts with an auto.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It depends how far along they were. Plus, they already know how the S63 reacts with an auto.
    true but i checked all spy videos on Youtube , i'm sure those prototypes weren't Auto. Those guys claim it's a 8-Speed ZF not 6-Speed , if we suppose this M Division is the same old M division , prototypes should be around for a couple months here

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    true but i checked all spy videos on Youtube , i'm sure those prototypes weren't Auto. Those guys claim it's a 8-Speed ZF not 6-Speed , if we suppose this M Division is the same old M division , prototypes should be around for a couple months here
    Yes, 8 speed but they know how their 6 speed reacts to the torque. If the 8 speed has the same or higher ratings, no need to worry.

    We don't know if there are prototypes with it or not, frankly, a lot of the prototype talk is guessing. I doubt every single one is on video. Maybe they have been testing it? We really don't know but we do know the DCT was in the cars.
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    I actually would prefer it if its got a beefy automatic that has a far higher torque threshold than a DCT that might be on its limit with a tune only.
    When I have a look at my 335 autos gearchanges the shift is very hard to spot when looking at a the G's so I not think that a DCT has a major advantage on a turbo car if the gearing is identical.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    I actually would prefer it if its got a beefy automatic that has a far higher torque threshold than a DCT that might be on its limit with a tune only.
    From a tuning perspective yes, but what about the car in stock form?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    When I have a look at my 335 autos gearchanges the shift is very hard to spot when looking at a the G's so I not think that a DCT has a major advantage on a turbo car if the gearing is identical.
    DCT has a huge advantage, look at the PDK turbo vs. the auto turbo.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    From a tuning perspective yes, but what about the car in stock form?



    DCT has a huge advantage, look at the PDK turbo vs. the auto turbo.
    Compare the gearing as well and you will see the advantage maybe due to gearing with the extra gear. Its surely not on the shift on a turbo car with a slipping torque converter and no boost loss with no drop on rate of acceleration.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    Compare the gearing as well and you will see the advantage maybe due to gearing with the extra gear. Its surely not on the shift on a turbo car with a slipping torque converter and no boost loss with no drop on rate of acceleration.
    In my opinion we have seen enough from DCT cars like the 458, GTR, M3, etc., to realize there simply is no way to compete with the shift speed.

    An auto will be a great tuning option, I agree with you, but it should be just that, an option.
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    Sticky a built DCT tranny ,like yours, can it handle 600lb-ft or more?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Sticky a built DCT tranny ,like yours, can it handle 600lb-ft or more?
    BMW said it will continue offering manual transmissions as long as people kept buying them, if they decide to ditch it it will have been because of poor sales so really, we only have the posers who buy most M cars these days to blame. In all the years the E60 M5 has been out, I've only ever seen 2 with the manual transmission (and one of those was in the used car lot because the owner traded it for an SMG) and this is in an area where I see at least 2-3 M5s a week.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Sticky a built DCT tranny ,like yours, can it handle 600lb-ft or more?
    Yes.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    BMW said it will continue offering manual transmissions as long as people kept buying them, if they decide to ditch it it will have been because of poor sales so really, we only have the posers who buy most M cars these days to blame. In all the years the E60 M5 has been out, I've only ever seen 2 with the manual transmission (and one of those was in the used car lot because the owner traded it for an SMG) and this is in an area where I see at least 2-3 M5s a week.
    The manual in the E60 M5 was very weird. People clamored for it and then it didn't sell, everyone wanted SMG. I find it weird that the US got the manual but we don't get the things we really need (M3 GTS, M3 CSL, etc.).
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The manual in the E60 M5 was very weird. People clamored for it and then it didn't sell, everyone wanted SMG. I find it weird that the US got the manual but we don't get the things we really need (M3 GTS, M3 CSL, etc.).
    I actually got to test drive that manual M5 that was on the dealer lot and it felt kind of weird to me. You could tell it was a total after thought, if you get the chance to drive an E39 M5 and manual E60 back to back you'll probably know what I mean right away even though I couldn't put my finger on what was so off about it.

    Overall though, that was one hell of a car and if I could afford it I would have definitely bought it. I just think the average buyer of a luxury car like that knows that they can't drive a manual well enough and will look like a douche in front of their friends.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    I just think the average buyer of a luxury car like that knows that they can't drive a manual well enough and will look like a douche in front of their friends.
    I don't think that is it. I think it is more along the lines of it being a car for a slightly older demographic buying a 4 door sedan. Comfort and usability are a priority, also dealing with traffic.
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    i read somewhere 8 Speed ZF only can handle 750NM ,but the more important thing is ZF offers a DCT tranny which can handle 1000NM

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    i read somewhere 8 Speed ZF only can handle 750NM ,but the more important thing is ZF offers a DCT tranny which can handle 1000NM
    There are a few DCT's from their suppliers up to the task which is why this does not make sense.
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