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    ESS tuning threatens BimmerBoost with legal action over revealing issues with the SC stroker

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    Asbjorn from ESS sent some very nasty letters threatening Bimmerboost with legal action over revealing issues with the supercharged stroker motor. Frankly, we do not understand why Asbjorn is doing this as it is completely beneath any professional company and far more could be accomplished by taking the higher road as one would expect the head of a large BMW aftermarket company to do. BimmerBoost does not condone these actions and finds them offensive and unprofessional. No company should say they would take pleasure in hurting anyone.

    Here is what Asbjorn@ESS sent:

    12-28-10:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
    I am not sure where you have your info from, but Roberts motor was never blown. I hear that you openly post this around the web and I must warn you that legal action will be taken if you do not stop spreading these false rumors immediately. We have had more than enough of your retarded bull$#@! at this point and you can be sure we will take this one step further if you keep spreading false derogatory information about ESS. Everything you have stated on this matter has been recorded.
    The response stated that our sources have given us different information than what has been posted around the web on the subject. Asbjorn would send another e-mail shortly after:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
    Well you are wrong, both in this case and other ESS related slander cases and we will prove it in court!

    I consider you the absolute scum of the earth and it will be my pleasure taking you and your parents that funded you down for good!

    Regards,

    Asbjorn Bohn
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    E-Mail : asbjorn@esstuning.com
    Web : http://www.esstuning.com
    Tel : (480)389-4377
    This is simply deplorable. Stating one would take pleasure in hurting a person and their family is not how professional companies operate in the United States. They may not have the First Amendment in Norway, but we sure have it in the United States, and BimmerBoost will not be bullied or intimidated by ESS or anyone else for that matter.

    We realize that AJ likely sent these e-mails in the heat of the moment which is why the response was one that dismissed the idle threats:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BimmerBoost
    Happy Holidays to you and everyone at ESS and I wish you the best in the coming New Year. Thanks for doing the same for me and my family as well, you are a class act. Keep reading BimmerBoost.com!
    Asbjorn once again responded with threats:

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    I do not think you realize what position you put you and your family in when you opened a commercial slander site targeted towards us, but you can rest assured you will find out.

    Good thing your family has some money so we can recover the lost profit from your slandering!

    Happy holidays to you to!
    After this nothing was received for a few days until today, January 2, 2011 when Asbjorn sent another e-mail. His tone was completely different in this one and clearly he realized he made a mistake and attempted to play nice asking to bury the hatchet and move on. The tone expressed here by AJ is one much more in line with what one would expect. Addtionally, we commend Asbjorn on wanting to mend fences and do what is best for ESS and BimmerBoost. We would like nothing more than to do so and thank Asbjorn on the compliments paid to Bimmerboost:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
    I see you have moderated your views around the net these last few days, and I would if possible try to bury the hatchet with you. Nothing good comes out of a long legal battle, and quite frankly there is no need to keep this war going unless there is no other way.

    FIY :

    I did not mean to sabotage your dyno day like you claim, I was informed by several people in the BMW scene that the outcome would likely be manipulated in every way, shape and form by you as a 110% Gintani loyalist. The decision was not personal at the time. In more recent time I have seen that this was a very correct assessment as you have proven an extreme bias against us. ESS is an honest company, we try to do the best we can by everyone, even if you find that hard to believe. We strive to make the best products we can and we take great pride in what we do.

    We have also never marketed a 600whp version of our kit like you and Jon Martin claim, the highest kit version we have ever sold is the VT2-625 (rated at 530rwhp on 93AKI/98RON), this kit has proven many times to develop significantly more than rating in decent conditions, as has the lower versions of the ESS S65 kit. We have been VERY careful when rating the production kits, and we are not happy unless a majority of customers comes in well above rating even in less than optimal conditions.

    The initial development car (now known as the GS race-car) DID in fact put down 600whp using a 92mm pulley and pump 99RON through a stock exhaust (2007 Euro spec, not the later more restrictive US compatible cat version), we were just as shocked by these results as everyone else but we never claimed production kits would achieve this. If you do not believe us, please contact Morgan at GS Bildeler in Norway for verification of my info and dyno numbers developed on this car during R&D. Now do keep in mind these runs were done in cold weather (40-60F in the dyno room during the winter), and we also ran prototype hardware (thinner welded sheet-metal vs casted/molded parts production kits). We have later dynoed the GS car in normal temperatures (70-80F), using production pieces and it is now in the 540-560whp range depending on fuel used with the same 92mm pulley.

    And last but not least, Roberts engine was just fine when he removed it. I thought he was crazy pulling the engine as well as the car ran phenomenal IMHO, but he wanted 200MPH in the standing mile and that was more important to him than to have a perfectly balanced daily driver for a reasonable amount of money. I really could care less if a RD 4.6 engine blew, as this is not a production S65 and it does not really impact our S65 sales -but facts are it did not. Robert pulled the best 60-130MPH ever on the way to AutoTalent for engine removal. Speak to Sam and Zolti if you do not believe this.

    Speaking of blown engines, we know of several confirmed Gintani engines gone south and I do have proof. We have however not used this against Gintani as we are trying to play fair and professional.

    If possible I would like to keep a professional and honest tone with you in the future, this is even more important for both parties now that you run a good size public forum (quite frankly I am very impressed that you managed to pull the site build/marketing off so well). I know you have to support Gintani and probably always will, but please try to be as honest as you can when voicing your opinions. Slander will get you nowehere in the long run, especially not when you run a public forum.

    It is also not ESS' intention to build 9.5-10PSI kits on stock S65 engines even if we easily could do it using meth. This amount of boost is a receipe for disaster in my opinion and if Gintani wants to go down this alley then we will not compete. We do not care about peak power/acceleration times, we care about trouble free ESS installations and happy customers for years to come. I may be wrong, but this is how we see it. When dealing with 30K engines and 12K transmissions we would rather be safe than sorry. I understand 1/4 mile racers with deep pockets like yourself have different views on the matter and I wish you the best of luck when pushing the S65's boundries! ESS and Gintani caters to different markets, and I believe there is room for both.

    And finally please allow me to wish you and your family a happy new year, and this time I actually mean it!

    Regards,

    Asbjorn Bohn
    ESS Performance Products USA Inc.
    E-Mail : asbjorn@esstuning.com
    Web : http://www.esstuning.com
    Tel : (480)389-4377
    The points raised were addressed and here is part of the response:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BimmerBoost
    I have tried to be nice and have always treated you fairly and honesty in every communication. This e-mail is a radical departure from your earlier tone and I think you are sending it to me because you know you made a mistake with what you wrote. When others see it, I think you will get a very negative backlash but that is not my doing. I never threatened you and despite what you said I even made sure you to wish you and ESS well. I just still can not believe you can write me an e-mail like this after what you said to me earlier and after how you did not even bother to take a minute to contact me about the dyno day when I put in so much effort in organizing it specifically around your schedule and requirements.

    I have no doubt you guys could build a kit with meth and run more boost. I'm not denying it and I understand what your goal is with your setup which I do state very often. I'm just shocked and very disappointed with you right now as there is no excuse for what you wrote to me previously and I think you were likely very honest in what you wrote. That is a shame, because you are better than that AJ. I always did think we could come to an understanding.

    I have always meant what I wrote and that is all the best to you, your family, and ESS and I will continue to give your products fair and equal coverage on the front page and throughout the forum as I have been doing. Congratulations on the new 60-130 record, keep up the great work.
    We were more than willing to mend any fences and take the higher ground rather than lob threats and insults but Asbjorn@ESS reverted back to his previous form after I thought we came to an understanding:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
    Ahh, I should have know you played nice for a few days so you would get some sympathy for your next artice on the lawsuit. Usual Sticky tactics and I do apologize, I should have known better. You have always been and you always will be an unethical scumbag of the worst kind.

    You should at least know I tried to reason with you.
    Now, we simply have had enough of these threats and insults. This is beneath ESS and BimmerBoost is not going to be pushed around into doing what ESS wants us to do. They can threaten, yell, scream, or even try to play nice for an e-mail or two.

    We have nothing against ESS. We honestly do wish ESS the best and will continue to give the products fair and equal coverage on the front page and throughout the forum. We intend to do what is best for BMW enthusiasts.

    BimmerBoost would like to be the first to extend its hand in friendship despite the threats and insults. We feel this type of behavior from ESS does not do BimmerBoost or ESS any good. We think it needs to stop and we can all be far more productive using this energy to support one another instead of threatening to bring someone else down and taking pleasure in it. We should help one another and start the year off positively, certainly not like this.

    In an effort to make sure we report the most accurate information possible, we will take Robert Collins up on his invitation to take a look at the stroker and the parts as well as his $100 incentive in doing so. We will take pictures and report back exactly what we learn. That is as fair as we can possibly be and it is being done on their terms. It is as simple as that and we wish all parties involved in this the best. It is high time for this all to come to an end and if we have to be the ones to set the precedent on cordial communication and interaction, so be it.

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    I love empty threats. Continue to report the facts. Glad you ain't scurrrrrd.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    I love empty threats. Continue to report the facts. Glad you ain't scurrrrrd.
    I will drive down and get the details on the motor as they requested.

    Frankly, I don't even see the big deal here. Why are they trying so hard to scare me if there is nothing wrong? Secondly, this motor isn't even a BMW OEM motor. It has no reflection on the kit or ESS. This is an aftermarket motor built by RDsport that has been pushed well beyond any regular SC kit.

    I will report the facts and relay all the details exactly as I get them. You guys can then decide for yourselves, no hand holding.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    I love empty threats. Continue to report the facts. Glad you ain't scurrrrrd.
    Welcome back. Where have you been since 3-31-2010?

    a lot has changed here.

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    What if I want you to hold my hand? What will that cost me? :eyebrows

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
    Welcome back. Where have you been since 3-31-2010?

    a lot has changed here.
    Elsewhere, working a lot of hours, getting divorced, moving, FBGM.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ESS Click here to enlarge
    Speaking of blown engines, we know of several confirmed Gintani engines gone south and I do have proof. We have however not used this against Gintani as we are trying to play fair and professional.
    I wanna know about this..

    Dont worry sticky, you handled your part very maturely. i'm shocked he acted this way.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I wanna know about this..

    Dont worry sticky, you handled your part very maturely. i'm shocked he acted this way.
    This has to be expected though. You're pushing these engines to about the limit, you're bound to break a few of them. As long as tuners take responsibility for their negligence in engine destruction, that's the important part. The problem is not everyone is willing to do so.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    Dont worry sticky, you handled your part very maturely. i'm shocked he acted this way.
    I know, I'm shocked as well. I couldn't believe it at first and thought maybe someone else wrote this. Maybe M33 on one of his drunken posting sprees?

    What I don't understand is then the long e-mail where he tries to play nice only to turn right around and spit on me again. It just does not make sense and is not how things should be. I do not know what more I can do for them than take the time to go down and check this thing out exactly as requested of me. Who else would do that?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    This has to be expected though. You're pushing these engines to about the limit, you're bound to break a few of them.
    Every company has had issues, nobody is perfect. When taking these motors this far there are going to be unforeseen issues. HPF, AA, VF, ESS, and Gintani, nobody has never had a single issue especially when pushing a build to the limit.

    This was not a standard motor but a strong, built motor that was being pushed hard for the mile. Exactly as you stated, things will happen.

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    my friend had an ESS supercharger kit on his 4.4 X5 about 8 years ago...within one year that thing was putting 2 quarts of oil in the breather a week....and he didnt even beat on it that much.

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    well that was nice of em, waiting to see how this plays out
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    Ive burned bridges before from previous shops and even so, the owners never acted unprofessionally as ESS has. It was always a professional letter with it ending in 'I would appreciate it if you did not bring your presence here any further' or the like.

    Sure I made mistakes but I never called someone the scum of the earth or threatened legal actions.

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    Bi-polar much? I like the part where I get brought up. I didn't state anything about having a 600whp kit. ESS did and I just remember it's not like I reached back and pulled the idea out my ass. Just because they're changing up the story now doesn't mean I made it up. Didn't some dude claim he had made 600whp recently and still hasn't posted a dyno? I mean c'mon.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Bi-polar much? I like the part where I get brought up. I didn't state anything about having a 600whp kit. ESS did and I just remember it's not like I reached back and pulled the idea out my ass. Just because they're changing up the story now doesn't mean I made it up. Didn't some dude claim he had made 600whp recently and still hasn't posted a dyno? I mean c'mon.
    The 600 whp thing isn't even a big deal. I mean, we all see the dyno numbers from the customers, we all get it.

    I think we can move on from it and I think people get they should not expect 600 whp. AJ stated they did it in the winter and whatnot with a 92 mm pulley, that's fine. The dyno number thing worked itself out really as more people posted independent results.

    I'm more concerned with what he wrote which was out of line for ESS.

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    Sticky do you know as a fact that the motor on Pencil geeks car was blown due to the Supercharger or is it suspicion. If you have facts it would be nice to see them as I can understand where ESS is coming from.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    Sticky do you know as a fact that the motor on Pencil geeks car was blown due to the Supercharger or is it suspicion. If you have facts it would be nice to see them as I can understand where ESS is coming from.
    There were issues with the motor as I stated. Many of these were seen during the disassembly. Also, PencilGeek told me he would not rebuild the motor. The motor is being rebuilt, whatever that might mean you are free to conclude.

    I think it is best not to speculate on what may or may not have gone wrong and simply take PG up on his offer to check it out in person and ask all my questions there. Sounds like the most reasonable course of action that would eliminate any speculation, wouldn't you say?

    We discussed him being locked into his compression ratio a long time ago. I won't post it unless pushed to it because I want to try very hard to handle this all properly in a manner that leaves everyone satisfied and shows we simply want to know the truth of what is going on, not to post smut.

    I'm sorry, but I can not see where ESS is coming from and I find what Asbjorn wrote me completely out of line, unprofessional, and it could have been handled far more constructively if they have a problem with issues with the rebuild being mentioned.

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    Internet is serious business - well it appears you got under someone's skin, Sticky

    I didn't pass the bar but I have yet to see serious legal threats stem from email from a company's tuner. Well unless you were WB of Powerchip, lol.

    It's funny to see AJ say that to you then go try to slander Gintani motors in another (with no proof). Pretty unprofessional if you ask me. The whole time I thought the ESS vs. world beef was simply because of the hothead product owners trying to test who has the "biggest dick" and they ESS was out of the picture. According to this: now I realize the feud is fueled internally @ ESS. Also, I'd like to see the blown motor he speaks off because I'm sure I would have heard about them first.

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    offer up a challenge to another dyno day. see what they claim this time..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    I love empty threats. Continue to report the facts. Glad you ain't scurrrrrd.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I missed your sig man.
    Thanks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    Thanks.
    What is that from anyway? I could never punch a girl like that. That guy deserves to get his teeth knocked out by a cheap shot with brass knuckles.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    What is that from anyway? I could never punch a girl like that. That guy deserves to get his teeth knocked out by a cheap shot with brass knuckles.
    It was from the first season of Jersey Shore. I don't watch the show, but the .gif was hilarious and encompasses the way I feel about those assclowns.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Internet is serious business - well it appears you got under someone's skin, Sticky

    I didn't pass the bar but I have yet to see serious legal threats stem from email from a company's tuner. Well unless you were WB of Powerchip, lol.

    It's funny to see AJ say that to you then go try to slander Gintani motors in another (with no proof). Pretty unprofessional if you ask me. The whole time I thought the ESS vs. world beef was simply because of the hothead product owners trying to test who has the "biggest dick" and they ESS was out of the picture. According to this: now I realize the feud is fueled internally @ ESS. Also, I'd like to see the blown motor he speaks off because I'm sure I would have heard about them first.
    I would think people would have learned from the Wayne Besanko ordeal by now. That tactic simply is not going to work.

    I do not know what blown motors he is talking about either.

    It is extremely unprofessional.

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