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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
    And for the record, it IS an off-the-shelf standard VT2-600 Kit with the 95mm standard pulley - which is EXTREMELY impressive. Sticky you keep saying its not a standard kit and all this $#@!, meanwhile the only thing different is the nitrous set-up.
    Uh, he has run pulleys that were not standard. I do not know which one was being run.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    Just like 1/4 mile times do.
    Exactly. Only difference is we has a longer established history correcting 1/4 mile times.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    I went out and made 2 more passes this morning. It went 6.82 and 6.79, so I would say that is consistant. Once it warms up I will slow down, but that's a given. Here is the 6.79 chart from this morning:
    I would say so too, and definitely, it will slow down in warmer weather and we all understand why.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    As for the continued Sticky bashing ESS this thread is another example of how he continues to try and discount the performance of their products.
    No one bashed anyone, what are you babbling about? Please stop with your nonsense or at least show an example of bashing going on. Last I checked every single time Mikewads has posted his data I have been receptive, supportive, and more than enthusiastic in sharing the great results. How do I discount it by putting it up as the main story? Huh?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    I understand that this site is sponsored by Gintani and Sticky you are sponsored by them as they do all the work on your "still not running" car but try to be a little less obvious with your bias to your sponsors.
    Why don't you try and make a point that involves something more than baseless assertions that are not supported by the posts in the thread whatsoever? I'm not sponsored by anyone, I pay a lot of money for the work done.

    If you think bias is me stating 60-130 times are susceptible to factors like 1/4 mile times are and that meth indeed does allow higher performance, you have bias.

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    Mike,

    What drag radials were you running on the rear? Also what size?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Great job Mike Click here to enlarge Running 7-7.5 psi on pump gas and producing the times you do prove that you really got the hang of doing these runs down and the ESS kit makes great power.

    As for the continued Sticky bashing ESS this thread is another example of how he continues to try and discount the performance of their products. Along with Jon Martin I think the two of you are on Gintani / OE tunings payoll or something. I find it funny how when Drew posted his 7 sec 60-130 the two of you posting nothing but praise and not one question was asked about the boost he ran and 60-130 times all of a sudden became the benchmark for how good a supercharger is. Now that an ESS car breaks his record you start trying to lay seeds of doubt by questioning the owner about his boost and saying you dont believe it even when he clearly has a boost gauge setup in the video, something Drew never did. You also now try to downplay 60-130 times LOL. I understand that this site is sponsored by Gintani and Sticky you are sponsored by them as they do all the work on your "still not running" car but try to be a little less obvious with your bias to your sponsors.
    Ok smart ass then explain the large differences between mikes times and cars with similar ess setups? besides the "weather"
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Ok smart ass then explain the large differences between mikes times and cars with similar ess setups? besides the "weather"
    Which ESS DCT vBox times with similar ESS setups are you talking about? Please give links to exact cars, owners, kits, and vBox results. I analyzed the dyno results a LONG time ago and demonstrated that these kits were the most efficient, and I said the only thing keeping in the way of proving it was an ESS owner with a VBox. Now you've got an ESS owner with a VBox, and I'm seeing the proof that I predicted a while ago. So again Jon, exactly which people are you talking about, and can you provide any links to back up what you say?

    And furthermore, do you have any idea how much or how little the weather even affects these results? Has anybody here even done that analysis to see if the talking points and "explanation" even holds up to actual data? If you want, I'll do it for you in a few minutes and post how much or how little the weather affects the results. I doubt it's anything like you and Sticky even make it sound to be.

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    Jon, I don't think there is a ton of data from the ESS guys. I know that's unfortunate in itself, but for what it's worth I think IMG ran mid upper 7s with a similar kit, warmer weather, and a 6sp.

    Again, all cars are going to run a bit different even given exact same mods, right? There is always a deviation even in stock cars. But you know all this.

    I think Mike's times deserve the respect and consideration. It would be great if Drew or other Ginani cars posted up some good times, cause in all fairness we dont have many other Gintani Stg2+ numbers other than Drews.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    I analyzed the dyno results a LONG time ago and demonstrated that these kits were the most efficient
    Your analysis was flawed, biased, and disproved rather easily: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...i-Stg-2-Kit-is

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    Now you've got an ESS owner with a VBox, and I'm seeing the proof that I predicted a while ago. So again Jon, exactly which people are you talking about, and can you provide any links to back up what you say?
    Please put down the kool-aid, there have been several examples of Vbox results with ESS kits, including your own. You act like this is the only run in history, it isn't.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    I doubt it's anything like you and Sticky even make it sound to be.
    Right, a coincidence better numbers show up in the winter? Coincidence density altitude affects numbers? Robert, please stop acting like an authority figure or that your "calculations" are something we should put stock in. The weather affects the numbers, significantly, and allows record breaking results like what we just witnessed.

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    You have to remember "large difference" is an opinion and could be different who you are talking to.

    To Sticky, going from 6.8s to 7.1s might be a large difference.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge

    To Sticky, going from 6.8s to 7.1s might be a large difference.
    Well for me it is a change that clearly reflects the different weather conditions.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Your analysis was flawed, biased, and disproved rather easily: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...i-Stg-2-Kit-is
    Actually, my analysis was not flawed, not biased, and has held up to the actual data exactly as I predicted it would. My analysis only used bonafide before/after dyno runs on the same dyno, using the same gas. Or in the one case that I couldn't use the same exact dyno, I spent my own money and took my own car to both dyno's one day apart, using the same gas, and proved that they gave me the same results (within 1-2whp) as each other. That step was necessary to prove both dyno's "read" the same. The article you just linked depended on a "new baseline" for Drew's car that was never published anywhere before. It had absolutely no provenance. That dyno was never posted anywhere and there's no proof that it's even Drew's car. Drew posted many dyno charts thoughout the entire development of his car, and I do not believe or find it remotely credible that after I posted my analsys if supercharger efficiency, that Drew pulls out a completely new dyno chart from a dyno shop he had never used during his published development and says "whoops, I just found this -- this is my real baseline, not the ones I posted on all of the car forums for the past 6 months." Joseph if you believe that story, and if you believe that one dyno debunks all of the fair, honest, and hard work I did to make sure everything was apples-to-apples, then that's your choice. But I never believed it, and I still don't. The evidence has always been there and continues to mount up in my favor just as I knew it would.

    Please put down the kool-aid, there have been several examples of Vbox results with ESS kits, including your own. You act like this is the only run in history, it isn't.
    Links to those runs please. No apples-to-oranges comparisons that you like so much. No 6MT vs. DCT runs. No stroker vs non-stroker runs. Just pure apples-to-apples comparison of VT2-600 kit, DCT, pump gas. Show me the links to those runs because I don't think they exist.

    Right, a coincidence better numbers show up in the winter? Coincidence density altitude affects numbers? Robert, please stop acting like an authority figure or that your "calculations" are something we should put stock in. The weather affects the numbers, significantly, and allows record breaking results like what we just witnessed.
    You live by the Drag Times DA calculator. Have you tried running these numbers through and seen the results? I have. 2500ft DA difference only makes 0.052 seconds difference.

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    I don't think the weather difference is nearly as large as Sticky is making it out to be. The Drag times calculator can be used to adjust 60-130's, just as it can be used to adjust 1/4 mile times -- because all it does is calculate the effects of atmospheric condition and apply them to a drag race run. If you use the 60-130 ET instead of the drag ET, the results it calculates are just as valid. So let's take Mike's (near) actual conditions from this morning in Georgia and apply them to what I know about Drew's runs in Camarillo and what he would have accomplished in California on the actual day he ran it.
    Georgia:
    Today (December 27, 2010) 6:53 AM27 degrees F, 66% Humidity, 30.17 inches of mercury (pressure), Altitude from vBox run 284ft = -2058ft. Mike's 6.79s time gets adjusted to 6.853 seconds.

    California:
    August 14th, 2010, same day, and near same conditions Drew says he used in Camarillo, CA farmland during his run. 62 degrees F, 70% Humidity, 29.82 inches of mercury (pressure), Altutude from vBox run -80ft: DA = +390ft. Drew's 7.06s time gets adjusted to 7.071 seconds.

    Now, I'm actually being generous here because I know Mike ran in warmer weather today than I used above. So to put that all into perspective. The delta's created from the different weather conditions is only 0.052 seconds, not the nearly 0.3 seconds some people are hoping for (0.27 seconds -- to be exact).

    So let's put that into perspective. Even with nearly 2500 ft DA difference, the Drag Times calculator only adjust it down to 0.052 seconds difference. So the weather is not causing the difference that anybody was hoping it would. Mike ran a 6.5 PSI pully (according to Ilia@IND), which he generously calls 7.0 PSI due to his boost gauge. He ran 93 octane pump gas. Drew ran 9.5 PSI, pump gas+meth in 2500ft DA worse conditions. Those worse conditions only account for 0.052 seconds difference according to the drag times calculator. That's the hard, cold reality of the numbers, and it's not what Sticky and Jon where hoping for.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Ok smart ass then explain the large differences between mikes times and cars with similar ess setups? besides the "weather"
    So if the weather theory was true then every 60-130 times ever posted would be invalid unless a weather station was available to log and verify the Temp ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well for me it is a change that clearly reflects the different weather conditions.
    what about Drews time Sticky ?
    Did u factor the weather which was 40 degrees and he was running water meth,wouldnt using water meth lower the intake temp by 10-20 degrees,also he ran race fuel and at least 2PSI more.so when taking all that into account,Drews car should be easy 6.5 or low 6's which it didnt !!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    Actually, my analysis was not flawed, not biased, and has held up to the actual data exactly as I predicted it would.
    It was incredibly biased as you mixed and matched data to try to strengthen your biased position. Using flawed data and then claiming it is accurate is misleading and not respectable. Drew tore it all to pieces, read his article.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    Links to those runs please. No apples-to-oranges comparisons that you like so much. No 6MT vs. DCT runs. No stroker vs non-stroker runs. Just pure apples-to-apples comparison of VT2-600 kit, DCT, pump gas. Show me the links to those runs because I don't think they exist.
    Uh, ever check the 60-130 list: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ding-Mile-list

    7.05 - Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT-1 SC / DCT/ Nitrous 75-100 shot / 3 shifts
    7.06 - DLSJ5 / E92 M3 Gintani Stage 2 SC / DCT / 91 octane and meth / 9 psi / 3 shifts - GRAPH
    7.37 - DLSJ5 / E92 M3 Gintani Stage 2 SC / DCT / 91 octane and meth / 8 psi / 3 shifts /
    7.85 - IMG / E92 M3 ESS VT2-600 / Manual / 1 shift / GRAPH
    7.86 - Maros / E46 M3 ESS SC 16 psi Built Motor/ 1 shift
    8.31 - Biglare/ E90 M3 DCT ESS VT-600 SC / Bolt ons/ 3.62 Gears/ ESS DCT Software / 91 Pump/ 20" wheels (Not Verified Yet)
    8.34 - Pencilgeek /E92 M3 6MT/ RS-46 RDsport stroker w/ESS VT600 SC / Bolt ons/ 91 octane/ 1 shift (Not Verified Yet)
    8.59 – Dr Jitsu / E46 M3 BHS SC Built Motor 16 psi / SMG / MS109/ 1 shift
    8.67 - DLSJ5 / E46 M3 VFE Supercharged Stage 2 8.5psi / SMG / 3.91 gears/ MS109 / 2 shifts
    8.82 - sammyrusso / E92 M3 DCT Gintani Stage 1 SC / Bolt Ons/ HFC's / 91 octane / 2 shifts
    8.84 - RomanESS / E92 M3 VT-575 /DCT / Stock cats/ ESS DCT Software / 3 shifts/ ? (Needs to be verified)
    9.01- Eugene Tawain E92 M3 6MT Gpower SC @ 6psi / Bolt ons / pump / 2 shifts

    Now you claim you predicted this? Huh, what? Because last I saw it took nitrous on top of the kit to equal the performance of just a Gintani Stage 2+ with meth on boost alone.

    So this is a fairly large shift wouldn't you say? Yet nothing has changed? Well, something did to go from 7.05 to 6.2x now. Is it weather and drag radials alone? Perhaps, but don't act like you called this when all data up to this point directly conflicted everything you had said and now you are using one number as an absolute that somehow supports you.

    I am so sick of this always becoming Gintani vs. ESS but the easiest way to settle anything is just to run the kits head to head or get them in the same place. Oh, here we go again, Roman won't let people race and they won't show up to a dyno day because they know they can't win. I'm tired of it and I'm tired of you claiming efficiency bull$#@!.

    Why weren't you able to predict the ESS kit can't trap 130 on boost alone? Why weren't you able to predict it would stomped by a stock Z06? Why did you ignore all the 60-130 results thus far? Well?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    You live by the Drag Times DA calculator. Have you tried running these numbers through and seen the results? I have. 2500ft DA difference only makes 0.052 seconds difference.
    You still do not understand the difference between ET and trap and that the DA has different effects on NA and forced induction motors. 0.052, realy? Here is a DA example:

    At 2500 feet DA 12.5@110 would change to this:

    Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
    12.119 @ 113.538 MPH

    Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
    12.243 @ 112.413 MPH

    Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
    12.356 @ 111.282 MPH

    So maybe try using that calculator again since you did not use it correctly when over 4/10's and 3 mph can be seen just by a drop a temp?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    what about Drews time Sticky ?
    Did u factor the weather which was 40 degrees and he was running water meth,wouldnt using water meth lower the intake temp by 10-20 degrees,also he ran race fuel and at least 2PSI more.so when taking all that into account,Drews car should be easy 6.5 or low 6's which it didnt !!
    Drew's times are influenced big time by the weather (and weight) as well.

    You think he ran 11's in a full weight car in the summer? This has now become a pointless game of each person posting the best numbers in different conditions and now we compare them as absolutes. Get the cars in the same place, same time, and let's put an end to this already.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    So if the weather theory was true then every 60-130 times ever posted would be invalid unless a weather station was available to log and verify the Temp ?
    They are not invalid, you just have to understand how they work and how you can influence the numbers.

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    I agree with IMG if Mike can run 6.8 with his setup Drew should be running low 6's. According to Sticky the Gintani cars make all of 600 whp and the ESS kits dont even make rated power of 510 whp so with his logic Drew should crush mikes times.

    I love how Sticky and Jon forget that Drew is running higher boost and water / meth which is designed to lower intake air and increase octane rating. This info has never been taken into account by these guys as to why drew's times have been better than past ESS times but a few degrees lower temp on a ESS car and OMG it makes a huge difference Mike is cheating.. The only other Gintani 60-130 done was on a DCT car that ran high 8's. This was a lower boost kit which compared to the lower boost ESS car the times were also slower. I have seen to date 8.3 posted by an ESS car Biglare which was faster than the 8.8 posted by a Gintani car running about the same boost with no water / meth. Gintani has also never posted a 60-130 with a manual car to compare to IMG's 7.5 which makes me wonder if the times are so bad they wont make them public. Now Mike while still running less boost and no water / meth has run .3 faster than the flagship Gintani car. Facts are facts you cant argue with the times and make excuses.

    Sticky / Jon I would love for you to explain / spin how 10-15 deg in ambient temp can be more effective in making additional power than 2+ psi, water / meth and race gas. Better yet If you want to continue to make excuses then run a Gintani car with a boost gauge hooked up like mike has done in his video and beat his times with 7-7.5 psi. Then you can come back here and continue to sell people on the fact that Gintani is a superior product with all things being equal like you have been trying for the past year. You need to get over the fact that your sponsors kit no longer holds the fastest 60-130 even with higher boost, water / meth and race gas. Your continued attempts to discredit mikes times becuase of temp is really sad and you using your site for Gintani marketing is also sad.

    Also it has been posted that Drew was using drags on his runs so please stop making that an issue unless Drew wants to state that he does his runs on something other than DR's. He also has stated that he removed his interior on his 1/4 mile runs so its very likely he did the same on his 60-130 runs. Unless you all forget Drew like Mike lowered his times with practice, he started in the high 7's and ended up in the low 7's. Not once did you clowns post in his threads that its only becuase he ran the car in lower temps. I think it has become very clear the two of you have an agenda.

    BTW the 2 of you can continue to give me negative rep points because I call you out on your BS. Im sorry but that is retarded.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    I agree with IMG if Mike can run 6.8 with his setup Drew should be running low 6's. According to Sticky the Gintani cars make all of 600 whp and the ESS kits dont even make rated power of 510 whp so with his logic Drew should crush mikes times.

    I love how Sticky and Jon forget that Drew is running higher boost and water / meth which is designed to lower intake air and increase octane rating. This info has never been taken into account by these guys as to why drew's times have been better than past ESS times but a few degrees lower temp on a ESS car and OMG it makes a huge difference Mike is cheating.. The only other Gintani 60-130 done was on a DCT car that ran high 8's. This was a lower boost kit which compared to the lower boost ESS car the times were also slower. I have seen to date 8.3 posted by an ESS car Biglare which was faster than the 8.8 posted by a Gintani car running about the same boost with no water / meth. Gintani has also never posted a 60-130 with a manual car to compare to IMG's 7.5 which makes me wonder if the times are so bad they wont make them public. Now Mike while still running less boost and no water / meth has run .3 faster than the flagship Gintani car. Facts are facts you cant argue with the times and make excuses.

    Sticky / Jon I would love for you to explain / spin how 10-15 deg in ambient temp can be more effective in making additional power than 2+ psi, water / meth and race gas. Better yet If you want to continue to make excuses then run a Gintani car with a boost gauge hooked up like mike has done in his video and beat his times with 7-7.5 psi. Then you can come back here and continue to sell people on the fact that Gintani is a superior product with all things being equal like you have been trying for the past year. You need to get over the fact that your sponsors kit no longer holds the fastest 60-130 even with higher boost, water / meth and race gas. Your continued attempts to discredit mikes times becuase of temp is really sad and you using your site for Gintani marketing is also sad.

    Also it has been posted that Drew was using drags on his runs so please stop making that an issue unless Drew wants to state that he does his runs on something other than DR's. He also has stated that he removed his interior on his 1/4 mile runs so its very likely he did the same on his 60-130 runs. Unless you all forget Drew like Mike lowered his times with practice, he started in the high 7's and ended up in the low 7's. Not once did you clowns post in his threads that its only becuase he ran the car in lower temps. I think it has become very clear the two of you have an agenda.

    BTW the 2 of you can continue to give me negative rep points because I call you out on your BS. Im sorry but that is retarded.
    First of all I didn't neg rep you so relax, someone should though because you came in calling me a hater basically and I was pretty positive in my post in this thread if you ask me. Alot more positive then the ESS camp is when Gintani gets good results.

    I just want to know the logic behind biglare's Vt-600 getting a 8.31 and Mikes car getting a 6.8 how does that happen with the same kit? No one is about to convince me that the weather is the cause sorry. At best the weather might make .2-.3 seconds of a difference. Also why is it that Biglare has the same setup and got crushed by the Z06 and yet Drew's car easily walked away from the Z06 yet his car hasn't cracked in to the 6's ?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    love how Sticky and Jon forget that Drew is running higher boost and water / meth which is designed to lower intake air and increase octane rating.
    Who forgot about Meth when meth has been mentioned how many times? What do you think lower temps do for the intake air?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    SS car and OMG it makes a huge difference Mike is cheating..
    No one said it was cheating or anything of the sort, context was the word used. Do you think it is right to dismiss conditions as a factor?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Gintani has also never posted a 60-130 with a manual car to compare to IMG's 7.5 which makes me wonder if the times are so bad they wont make them public.
    You really are out of your mind. Manual cars have run at the strip, the times were posted, go check. Not everyone has a Vbox.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Mike while still running less boost and no water / meth has run .3 faster than the flagship Gintani car.
    Yes, and he also ran equal to it WITH nitrous. Where were you then? That doesn't make you wonder?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Facts are facts you cant argue with the times and make excuses.
    Who is making excuses? We all know what setup is faster, one time does not change that. If this is how it really is why the vast spread of times? This is a great achievement by Mike, let it be that.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Sticky / Jon I would love for you to explain / spin how 10-15 deg in ambient temp can be more effective in making additional power than 2+ psi, water / meth and race gas.
    It can't be which should answer your question. Plus was it 2+ psi more that Drew was running? Didn't the boost numbers on these runs reach the upper 7's?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Then you can come back here and continue to sell people on the fact that Gintani is a superior product with all things being equal like you have been trying for the past year.
    Gintani was first to run 130 mph and has two cars doing that on boost. ESS has 0 and 1 with nitrous. Having trouble putting that together?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    You need to get over the fact that your sponsors kit no longer holds the fastest 60-130 even with higher boost, water / meth and race gas. Your continued attempts to discredit mikes times becuase of temp is really sad and you using your site for Gintani marketing is also sad.
    I'm not marketing for Gintani and what sponsorship? What is sad you is you continue to make this into ESS vs. Gintani and think there is some conspiracy when all the credit in the world is being given and no one is denying it. I could care less if Gintani does well or ESS does well. I want the best product for my car and competition will breed that. I'm glad the bar is raised and we will be doing this all over again when these numbers are eclipsed. It is sad you take away from this achievement by turning it into Gintani vs. ESS and will be the catalyst for the thread going down that route.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Also it has been posted that Drew was using drags on his runs so please stop making that an issue unless Drew wants to state that he does his runs on something other than DR's. He also has stated that he removed his interior on his 1/4 mile runs so its very likely he did the same on his 60-130 runs. Unless you all forget Drew like Mike lowered his times with practice, he started in the high 7's and ended up in the low 7's. Not once did you clowns post in his threads that its only becuase he ran the car in lower temps. I think it has become very clear the two of you have an agenda.
    Who is making it an issue? Good, he ran drag radials, smart. If you want good times, run drag radials so you can hook. Who is saying he shouldn't or that it is wrong? I would run drag radials. It probably is likely Drew did the same on his runs, and? I take him at his word and so you should take Drew. Drew also said he ran pump I believe.

    Why are you calling people clowns and throwing out insults when no one was insulting anyone in this thread? Get a grip and grow up a little bit, please, no one is trying to discredit anyone except state that different temps and conditions will provide different results. Stop being so narrow minded, it's sickening.

    Drew goes out of his way to get a good spot to run in good temps, this is obvious. Who never mentioned it? The temps were mentioned by Mikewads in the very first post, what does that tell you? HE MENTIONED THE TEMPS BEFORE ANYONE ELSE SAID ANYTHING. Get it? He brought it up.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    BTW the 2 of you can continue to give me negative rep points because I call you out on your BS. Im sorry but that is retarded.
    No one is giving you neg rep because you think you are calling someone else out. It is because you are injecting an incredibly negative vibe into what should be a positive thread where everyone was congratulating him but you spit venom like some bitter $#@!, check your own tone because it does not mesh.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    First of all I didn't neg rep you so relax, someone should though because you came in calling me a hater basically and I was pretty positive in my post in this thread if you ask me. Alot more positive then the ESS camp is when Gintani gets good results.
    Absolutely correct, he is the one calling other haters and being negative essentially ruining the thread. Well done ZR1638, well done.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    Also why is it that Biglare has the same setup and got crushed by the Z06 and yet Drew's car easily walked away from the Z06 yet his car hasn't cracked in to the 6's ?
    A good point no one can explain.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    Which ESS DCT vBox times with similar ESS setups are you talking about? Please give links to exact cars, owners, kits, and vBox results. I analyzed the dyno results a LONG time ago and demonstrated that these kits were the most efficient, and I said the only thing keeping in the way of proving it was an ESS owner with a VBox. Now you've got an ESS owner with a VBox, and I'm seeing the proof that I predicted a while ago. So again Jon, exactly which people are you talking about, and can you provide any links to back up what you say?
    There are more ESS Vbox runs then Gintani, the runs are there to compare. Biglare, Roman, Mike, IMG, M33, You. The DCT cars running the VT575 kits are in the 8's, and one VT600 6MT hit 7.8, in 40 degree weather as well. What time did you hit with far more WHP? 7.5? But you were in much hotter weather, don't you think this explains the differences? Robert with all due respect your initial analyzation was incorrect, not only with my car, but with Sammy's car and another ESS car, partly not your fault as you did not have the correct information on my car, and at the time you used dyno results that did not reflect the true #'s of the kit, but you did not know that.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
    And furthermore, do you have any idea how much or how little the weather even affects these results? Has anybody here even done that analysis to see if the talking points and "explanation" even holds up to actual data? If you want, I'll do it for you in a few minutes and post how much or how little the weather affects the results. I doubt it's anything like you and Sticky even make it sound to be.
    Robert, temps, affect 60-130 runs, just like 1/4 mile results, more than anything else, even slope, in a huge way. Around this time of year some of the best 60-130 times occur, Scott (Divexxtreme) the guy who basically come up with this idea, will tell you the exact same thing.
    He's the real deal when it comes to 60-130 data, just about every thread on the subject or thread uses his data to compare. There are more than a few examples of this on 6speedonline, of cars in cold weather running incredible times and he always make an effort to let people know the temps if they are that cold, NO DOUBT they are legit, as is Mike's time, but when you look at all of his runs, along with the nitrous it makes sense.
    08 E92 M3 - DCT
    Bolt Ons - Best ET 11.88 Best Trap Speed 119.8 MPH
    60-130 MPH (3 shifts) 10.71s
    Gintani Stage 2+ Supercharger 60-130MPH (3 shifts) 7.06s
    11.45 @ 131.6 MPH
    579WHP @9.3psi

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Mike, What drag radials were you running on the rear? Also what size?
    Mickey Thompson 305/35R18s

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    7.05 - Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT-1 SC / DCT/ Nitrous 75-100 shot / 3 shifts
    So this is a fairly large shift wouldn't you say? Yet nothing has changed? Well, something did to go from 7.05 to 6.2x now. Is it weather and drag radials alone?
    Yeah something changed! I went from a VT1-535 kit to a VT2-600! Which means the addition of an intercooler system and about 2 more pounds of boost. So no... it's not just the weather and drag radials.
    09 Alpine White E92 M-DCT / ESS VT2 Supercharger w/ NITROUS / Borla Race Exhaust
    10.87 @ 131 mph in the 1/4 Mile
    60-130 MPH in 6.23 secs (Nitrous)
    60-130 MPH in 6.87 secs (Boost only @ 7.5psi)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge

    Yeah something changed! I went from a VT1-535 kit to a VT2-600! Which means the addition of an intercooler system and about 2 more pounds of boost. So no... it's not just the weather and drag radials.
    Absolutely, I just thought you were already running the VT2 pulley earlier?

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