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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    thats really not true, war is expensive because they buy the wrong $#@! and put the wrong people in the wrong places.. i wont get into that here though, but common sense is not common..
    Get into it! I would love your opinion on this as you know first hand. What do you think?
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    i wont in here, but if another topic is brought up i can throw some idea's out there and shed some light.. but the most obvious one.. look at the army's current uniform.. WTF did that match and who approved it.. and it only gets worse..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    i wont in here, but if another topic is brought up i can throw some idea's out there and shed some light.. but the most obvious one.. look at the army's current uniform.. WTF did that match and who approved it.. and it only gets worse..
    LOL! alright I understand. Thanks anyways
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    I am still at a loss as to why people think this guy is a hero. He spamed up large chunks of Classified documents while only a few were even what could loosely be called constructive or shed light. He received the vast majority of these documents from a person who had been in the Army for moments on the grand scale of things. This kid was granted a Security Clearance and swore to uphold it. He betrayed it for Fame and later added 'so people know what really happening'.
    There is a legal process to get documents that are Classified released to the public early or declassified. If that process failed and there was really some great injustice happening then the person that outed the documents would be a true 'whistleblower' and be protected.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSDD Click here to enlarge
    I am still at a loss as to why people think this guy is a hero. He spamed up large chunks of Classified documents while only a few were even what could loosely be called constructive or shed light. He received the vast majority of these documents from a person who had been in the Army for moments on the grand scale of things. This kid was granted a Security Clearance and swore to uphold it. He betrayed it for Fame and later added 'so people know what really happening'.
    There is a legal process to get documents that are Classified released to the public early or declassified. If that process failed and there was really some great injustice happening then the person that outed the documents would be a true 'whistleblower' and be protected.
    I see your point but at the same time I like that this exposed the government in several ways. It wasn't ground breaking or anything like that but showed the government needs to shore up its own internal security and also it keeps them in check. I don't mind that from time to time we get internal government documents. They are supposed to be working for us and I want to know what the hell is going on.

    Another thing, that process to get classified documents is all BS. They can pretty much do whatever they want. Didn't they extend the lock down time on classified Kennedy documents so that they would not be released?

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    The time of classification can go either way, but it takes a lot to get it extended past 25 years I believe. I don't deal wit much TS but all Secret is a default 10 years.

    On a lighter note:

    If you thought Wikileaks is being operated out of a memory stick from a dinky cold basement by some sleep-deprived programmers ready to abandon their hideout at moment’s notice, think again. Recently pictures of the supposedly secret headquarters surfaced through a number of news sources – pictures that will blow your socks off. A headquarter located in a cave 100 feet below the ground in a former Cold War nuclear bunker futuristically redesigned to look like a set out of a James Bond movie.
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    The disused bunker turned datacenter was reopened in 2008 and redesigned by Swedish architects Albert France-Lanord. Complete with a 'floating' conference room, suspended glass corridors, lunar landscape flooring, designer furniture, and even, intriguingly, German U-boat engines as back-up generators. “All that is missing is the bleached-blond Assange himself, stroking a white cat”, writes The Daily Mail.
    The bunker which could reportedly withstand a nuclear attack, vast cave, also houses dozens of computer servers used as storage by many companies.
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    The offices feature lunar-landscape flooring, glass corridors and a 'floating' conference room
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    Two old submarine engines are used as emergency backup generators
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    Above the main server room is a suspended glass corridor leading to a round see-through meeting room.
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    The exterior of the main server room.
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    The floor plan of the office.

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    ^ pic fail.

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    I just redid it, hopefully it takes this time.
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    yea. fixed. I have better pix of that. I was trying to get the specs on the engines but all I can find is;

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    German submarine engines for backup power: Backup power is handled by two Maybach MTU diesel engines producing 1.5 Megawatt of power. The engines were originally designed for submarines, and just for fun the people at Pionen have also installed the warning system (sound horns) from the original German submarine.

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    Something happened with those pics.

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    WTF? They went bad again. Same pics from another post. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
    WTF? They went bad again. Same pics from another post. Click here to enlarge
    I don't know what to say... the system apparently really wants people to check out those wheels.

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    I'd make it a grow house / scotch and beer cellar.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
    I'd make it a grow house / scotch and beer cellar.
    That actually is a great suggestion just make sure you add a wine cellar and a fridge for cheeses.

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    its silly to think the public should know everything, that would case chaos,mass hysteria, or danger to national security

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    freedom of the press. its the only way to keeps things honest.. and you see how far that gets us.. when they are doing things they shouldnt, we should know about it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    its silly to think the public should know everything, that would case chaos,mass hysteria, or danger to national security
    First Amendment didn't seem to be designed to create chaos.

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    Just look at the way Americans react to the bad news by running out to fill up their gas tanks. Does that make any sense? Imagine if people really heard Actual National Security news and events unfiltered. I agree with MSIZZLE 100%. It's ridiculous to say everyone should know everything
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSDD Click here to enlarge
    Just look at the way Americans react to the bad news by running out to fill up their gas tanks. Does that make any sense? Imagine if people really heard Actual National Security news and events unfiltered. I agree with MSIZZLE 100%. It's ridiculous to say everyone should know everything
    There are things that need to be protected but above all is the freedom of speech and the freedom of press. There is a reason why they put it first...

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    Good points but where is the cutoff of who should and shouldn't know the information?

    And taking an oath not to blow the whistle is weird too!
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    So far, and this is only my opinion, most of the information contained in the documents is stuff people could probably assume themselves. Look at the blowup over the diplomat dox...c'mon - seriously? Your neighbors gossip, people in your office gossip over one another, and diplomats gossip - so what?

    Now - if people's lives are put in danger as a result of a wikileak - that's a different matter. I don't know the extent of how much this is occurring however...

    As for the true casualties of the wars - really? Like that's a surprise? It's war...there are going to be casualties...

    The things I am going to be most interested in seeing are:

    1. Ultimately - what will happen to Julian Assange? No way will I buy that he was involved in an "accident"...will he remain a free man or forever be dogged and pursued?
    2. What will the long term effect be of wikileaks on governments? Freedom of speech?

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