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    AutoCar Review Video: E92 M3 vs. Audi RS5

    Here is yet another RS5 vs. E92 M3 comparison vid, this time by AutoCar. It is a better vid than the AutoExpress video comparison but still is typically European where it is subjective with no real data for support. The video concludes with the reviewer stating the RS5 is just a bit quicker and more powerful, which, well, is kind of stupid as it is just based on his opinion. He seems to be going by the crank ratings which mean nothing. The RS5 is heavier and routes the power to all 4 wheels so it is less efficient, putting less to the ground where it counts. Every comparison with real data has shown the M3 to be the faster car, which it is. Basically, this comparison is useless as most of AutoCar's comparison's are.

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    Damn you are really a fanboy
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Damn you are really a fanboy
    Just calling it like I see it, the RS5 is a great car but when he says the RS5 is a bit faster based on nothing but a drive through a backroad with an M3 following him and the specs Audi provides I think that is ridiculous.

    How about some actual performance data? How about some laptimes? How about a dyno? How about something?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Damn you are really a fanboy
    Yep, very well said! You are a bright lad!

    This car should be given tremendous credit, a marvelous achievement.

    The video clearly shows that Quattro traction is far more useful in the real world. He is also quite correct in saying the RS5 is far more powerful, it has 450 hp! No comparison really, the Audi motor is much more impressive and the power is much more useful. Congratulations to Audi!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Footie Click here to enlarge
    Congratulations to Audi!
    Heil Audi!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Footie Click here to enlarge
    Yep, very well said! You are a bright lad!

    This car should be given tremendous credit, a marvelous achievement.

    The video clearly shows that Quattro traction is far more useful in the real world. He is also quite correct in saying the RS5 is far more powerful, it has 450 hp! No comparison really, the Audi motor is much more impressive and the power is much more useful. Congratulations to Audi!
    You are on the other end bro. You are a Audi RS5 fanboy. Even more sad than Sticky because you dont own an RS5.
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    The truth is these two cars are not worth the money. It would be wiser and smarter to buy a GTR at that price point.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    The truth is these two cars are not worth the money. It would be wiser and smarter to buy a GTR at that price point.
    Quit with the GTR stuff, not everyone wants an AWD turbo car. Some people like the racecar feeling you get with a high revving NA motor and RWD. Let me guess, someone should get a GTR over a 911 GT3 as well?

    What about if someone wants manual? Well, whoops, good job Nissan.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    You are on the other end bro. You are a Audi RS5 fanboy. Even more sad than Sticky because you dont own an RS5.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Quit with the GTR stuff, not everyone wants an AWD turbo car. Some people like the racecar feeling you get with a high revving NA motor and RWD. Let me guess, someone should get a GTR over a 911 GT3 as well?

    What about if someone wants manual? Well, whoops, good job Nissan.
    If they wan all that they should get a Corvette Z06.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Then get a z06
    The kind that comes with 4 seats?

    I will give you this, the Z06 really is an amazing car with a great motor. Great weight, performance, everything. I could never bring myself to get an American car though but that is changing as I get older.

    Some of us just like BMW's.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The kind that comes with 4 seats?

    I will give you this, the Z06 really is an amazing car with a great motor. Great weight, performance, everything. I could never bring myself to get an American car though but that is changing. I am still a badge whore.

    Some of us are just fanboys.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
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    There is far more to it than that. If you want to mitigate all there is that goes into someone being a BMW fan, go for it, but I can give you a long list of reasons as to why I like BMW and the M3 in particular.

    It is becoming harder to like BMW as of late and if I was a fanboy, why am I as critical as I am of them?

    Let's not forget the topic, explain to me why the RS5 is more powerful than the M3 when every head to head test with real data has showed the opposite? If someone threw up a crappy BMW test like this I would be just as critical. Oh wait, I was: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ight=omits+e36
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    Anyways. BMW really $#@!ed all BMW fans with the e92 M3
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Anyways. BMW really $#@!ed all BMW fans with the e92 M3
    And how is that? By producing the best car in its class?

    By not setting the GTR which came out later as its target? Come on.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And how is that? By producing the best car in its class?

    By not setting the GTR which came out later as its target? Come on.
    It should have had the GT3 as target or at least a Corvette C6.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    It should have had the GT3 as target or at least a Corvette C6.
    When have these ever been M3 targets historically?

    Why the GT3 or C6 as its target? Why? They aren't even in the same class or the competition, the RS4, IS-F, and C63 are and the M3 is the best of those cars, significantly so.

    You are holding the M3 up to an invalid standard.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    When have these ever been M3 targets historically?

    Why the GT3 or C6 as its target? Why? They aren't even in the same class or the competition, the RS4, IS-F, and C63 are and the M3 is the best of those cars, significantly so.

    You are holding the M3 up to an invalid standard.
    And when has the C63 ISF or RS5 been competitors historically. They all came out for the first time last couple years. Tell me what has been the M3 competitors historically. The M3 has always been a niche market car with no real competitors until 3 or 2 years ago when all those came out after the e92 m3.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    And when has the C63 ISF or RS5 been competitors historically
    Mercedes has always targeted the M3 with their hopped up versions of their sport sedans. I mean, come on, you posted the 190E photos you should know this.

    If you can't see why an IS-F is relevant competition and a C6 Vette is not, I really can't help you.

    The M3 has not always been a niche market car, what are you talking about? No real competitors? So what, the B5 S4 was what, irrelevant? The C32 AMG never existed? Those were well before 2-3 years ago, I think you need to take a better look at the history, start with the 190E if you like.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Mercedes has always targeted the M3 with their hopped up versions of their sport sedans. I mean, come on, you posted the 190E photos you should know this.

    If you can't see why an IS-F is relevant competition and a C6 is not, I really can't help you.

    The M3 has not always been a niche market car, what are you talking about? No real competitors? So what, the B5 S4 was what, irrelevant? The C32 AMG never existed? Those were well before 2-3 years ago, I think you need to take a better look at the history, start with the 190E if you like.
    the 190E Evo was a road version of the DTM car. The closest that could be compared was the e30 M3 because the e28 M5 was $#@!. And since BMW used the e30 on DTM thats where the competition came from not the respective street cars.

    Dont try to school me kid. The M3 has always been a niche without real competition until few years ago. It was great because it was the best sports car under 100k but now its just one of the bunch of options and it really isn't the best one.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    the 190E Evo was a road version of the DTM car. The closest that could be compared was the e30 M3 because the e28 M5 was $#@!. And since BMW used the e30 on DTM thats where the competition came from not the respective street cars.
    Exactly, but the 190E street car was still aimed at the E30 M3 street car. The 190E 2.5 was really the direct rival for the E30 M3, sport sedan, same type of car.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Dont try to school me kid.
    Then know what you are talking about and don't make ridiculous statements like the M3 had no real competitors until 2 to 3 years ago.

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    It was great because it was the best sports car under 100k but now its just one of the bunch of options and it really isn't the best one.
    It was never the best sports car under 100k, it was always the best sports sedan under 100k. You need to learn your history as it is getting embarrassing. So the E46 M3 was a better sports car than a 996? Or a C5 Z06? Those are sports cars, the M3 was always the best all around car, it has never been a dedicated sports car and never will be. You may be having trouble and are comparing it to the GT3 and C6 Vette because you don't even understand what it is.
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    The embarrassing thing is you defending the m3 because you are such a fan boy. Its as pathetic as Footie.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Exactly, but the 190E street car was still aimed at the E30 M3 street car. The 190E 2.5 was really the direct rival for the E30 M3, sport sedan, same type of car.
    No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It was never the best sports car under 100k, it was always the best sports sedan under 100k. You need to learn your history as it is getting embarrassing. So the E46 M3 was a better sports car than a 996? Or a C5 Z06?Those are sports cars, the M3 was always the best all around car, it has never been a dedicated sports car and never will be.You may be having trouble and are comparing it to the GT3 and C6 Vette because you don't even understand what it is.
    Yes I know the M3 is not a sports car. It has never been the best all around car either.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    The embarrassing thing is you defending the m3 because you are such a fan boy. Its as pathetic as Footie.
    At least when I do it I do it with historical accuracy and valid support.

    If you want to make your point, you should have said the M3 should have a higher performance envelope or that BMW needs a higher performance car to compete with the dedicated sports car. That would be valid, but claiming the M3 is a niche vehicle or that competitors appeared 2 years ago is not. No harm no foul, no need to get upset.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.
    Make sure you tell that to CAR and everyone else who did 190E vs. E30 M3 comparisons, oh, and to DTM as well:

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