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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Still not working for me, error 403, forbidden.
    Are you banned from bmwauto.net?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    Are you banned from bmwauto.net?
    Nope, the site itself works for me just your link doesn't.

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    Just buy a new car... How many times have you driven it this year? Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GT3 Click here to enlarge
    Just buy a new car... How many times have you driven it this year? Click here to enlarge
    I hate you.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I hate you.
    How long have you been without your car sticky? It's going on 4 months for me. I'm having a hard time getting my finances in order.

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    i agree wiht the rest, centi and stroker. if you go TS you have to find someone to custom on off it for you, while i beleive yousaid you're still sticking with gintani they can do it right with the centri. get the motor built with forged internals and larger displacement, you have the clutch already pretty much done for you from SSP, and gintani will do the tuning and the build for the SC kit?

    right? lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    How long have you been without your car sticky? It's going on 4 months for me. I'm having a hard time getting my finances in order.
    Approaching a year...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    you have the clutch already pretty much done for you from SSP, and gintani will do the tuning and the build for the SC kit?
    Yes, that's right Click here to enlarge

    We'll see, I miss the car. I never even got to have any fun with it when SC'd. Being a guinea pig sucks, don't want to do that any longer. Centri's are figured out that, that is the thing.

    With a stroker though it will add about 5k to the motor build price, not cheap. With a TS you can keep stock displacement.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Approaching a year...
    During that year, I put 17K miles on my GT3...
    Im not worried about depreciation, and Ive enjoyed the $#@! out of the car.
    I really hope your M3 gets done soon, man. I kinda feel bad for you, having personally done similar projects in the past... I'll probably wont* do any again.
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    Twin screw setups can create a lot more headaches hardware wise, and at times, tuning wise. However, when done right the power band is simply phenomenal. We are in the middle of doing a 1000rwhp 426 Challenger build, and we decided to go TT over screw just because of the added headaches. I've been wanting to do a TS setup for some time, but it takes some serious capital to do it right. Maybe someday Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    Twin screw setups can create a lot more headaches hardware wise, and at times, tuning wise. However, when done right the power band is simply phenomenal. We are in the middle of doing a 1000rwhp 426 Challenger build, and we decided to go TT over screw just because of the added headaches. I've been wanting to do a TS setup for some time, but it takes some serious capital to do it right. Maybe someday Click here to enlarge
    If it was possible I would already be running TT's, but it just isn't in the cards right now.

    The power band on a TS is unbeatable IMO, nothing beats instant boost and that nice shove at any rpm.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GT3 Click here to enlarge
    During that year, I put 17K miles on my GT3...
    Im not worried about depreciation, and Ive enjoyed the $#@! out of the car.
    I really hope your M3 gets done soon, man. I kinda feel bad for you, having personally done similar projects in the past... I'll probably do any again.
    Not a big deal, I have other cars Click here to enlarge I may be picking a new one up soon.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If it was possible I would already be running TT's, but it just isn't in the cards right now.

    The power band on a TS is unbeatable IMO, nothing beats instant boost and that nice shove at any rpm.
    Agreed. The TT setup will have a bit more lag/less bottom end punch, but a bit more top-end. On the GenIII Hemi platform, the KB setups require some pretty expensive upgrades to work properly (throttle control box, 8 rib kit, hood clearance)....... In the end, just was not worth it for specific customer. Also, at that power level, instant torque makes the car even less driveable.

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    I think with a stroker and centri youll be making plenty power. And the stroker will more than make up for the lack of low end from the centri. Also, lower the compression a tad. I think you said you wanted 9.5, thats about right. You should be able to hit 20 psi with that.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    Agreed. The TT setup will have a bit more lag/less bottom end punch, but a bit more top-end.
    No doubt, it will be more efficient and overall just the faster of the two.

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    Also, at that power level, instant torque makes the car even less driveable.
    Exactly, I'm also sure with the turbos he will be able to dial down the boost which is very cool.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I think with a stroker and centri youll be making plenty power. And the stroker will more than make up for the lack of low end from the centri. Also, lower the compression a tad. I think you said you wanted 9.5, thats about right. You should be able to hit 20 psi with that.
    Yes, I would want at bit lower as I want big boost.

    Stroker + centri is hard to beat... I hear ya.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No doubt, it will be more efficient and overall just the faster of the two.



    Exactly, I'm also sure with the turbos he will be able to dial down the boost which is very cool.
    Yup..... Spent about 5 hours today trying to figure out how to get this car to hook up at all below 100mph.

    What is keeping you from going TT?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    What is keeping you from going TT?
    Read this, enjoy Click here to enlarge : http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...very-difficult

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    What, don't have an extra half mil lying around? Click here to enlarge

    Tuning would be a huge challenge. Hardware, probably not nearly as much, but still tricky.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not a big deal, I have other cars Click here to enlarge I may be picking a new one up soon.
    Yeah. I did mean you were car-less, just sport car-less... OR have you been holding out on us? Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GT3 Click here to enlarge
    Yeah. I did mean you were car-less, just sport car-less... OR have you been holding out on us? Click here to enlarge
    No I have not, you are quite correct, sport car-less.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    Tuning would be a huge challenge. Hardware, probably not nearly as much, but still tricky.
    Both are problems at the moment and it seems no one wants to invest in this just yet. I don't blame them really, the M3 is a tough platform. It took HPF a while...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Boost will just amplify this problem and you will have an oil burner IF you dont design it correctly. Remeber, this motor is practically perfect from the factory, as soon as you change ONE thing it is imperfect and only god knows what that imperfection will lead to, let alone stroking it and boost.
    I have been thinking more about this and would think conservative stroke would be ok. BMW themselves takes it to 4.4 liters, obviously even they feel there is stroke to be gained in this motor.

    I wish we had more details on the failure of the stroker though so we could learn from it... but we will never know the true story.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I have been thinking more about this and would think conservative stroke would be ok. BMW themselves takes it to 4.4 liters, obviously even they feel there is stroke to be gained in this motor.

    I wish we had more details on the failure of the stroker though so we could learn from it... but we will never know the true story.
    The piston speed I think with the 4.0 liter engine is below critical, I think I saw the calculation somewhere around here that S65 4.4 liters was still below critical piston speed. I think you may have to investigate rod angles too.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    The piston speed I think with the 4.0 liter engine is below critical, I think I saw the calculation somewhere around here that S65 4.4 liters was still below critical piston speed. I think you may have to investigate rod angles too.
    I don't really have a good understanding of rod angles, explain?

    The piston speed even pushing the stroke to maximum is still below the S54 stock. With top of the line rods, why would it be an issue?

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