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    This what I'm talking about someone not knowing what there talkng about. Vf tried and it was disaster. Didn't work at all. AA said it was garage also. Build the engine
    if you want lower compression. Now the headgasket spacer might work
    on e36 but i'm not going to pretend like I
    know much about s50/52 engines.

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    Pointless talking to you about this. They wouldve had to make
    the Chain longer(whatever the chain is called). I've even spoke
    to VAC about this and they said no good for s54. Maybe e36 guys want to slap
    some ghetto setup.

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    I'm outta here. Enjoy your night. Search on m3forum. I'm sure the thread is buried on there somewhere.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    This what I'm talking about someone not knowing what there talkng about. Vf tried and it was disaster. Didn't work at all. AA said it was garage also. Build the engine
    if you want lower compression. Now the headgasket spacer might work
    on e36 but i'm not going to pretend like I
    know much about s50/52 engines.
    Well AA didnt care to build a turbo kit really for the e46 m3, so lets start from that point. Hpf decided they wanted to base their kit stage 1/2 kits on the stock compression which is smart from a business stand point. Less down time for installs. Putting on a thicker head gasket would add to the price of a kit, and more issues if the head gasket is not installed properly like you are refering to with other vendors. Coming from the e36 world i know very well what can happen if a mls/copper gasket isnt installed correctly. Now I do not think the s54 cylinder walls are any thinner then a s52, so a mls or copper gasket shouldnt be an issue unless the installer sucks at life. I would love to see hpf tune a stock motor with low compression on pump gas only. I would love to see what it can make on just pump gas with 93 octane. Crap if i had a stock e46 m3 and was thinking about getting an Hpf kit i would ask them to do the tune on it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    Pointless talking to you about this. They wouldve had to make
    the Chain longer(whatever the chain is called). I've even spoke
    to VAC about this and they said no good for s54. Maybe e36 guys want to slap
    some ghetto setup.

    I wouldnt take Vac's word on much. Maybe 6-8 years ago yes. You have alot to learn about motors, and what is needed to be done when adding a thicker head gasket. Taking a lazy shops word on it doesnt cut it.
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    If you want proper low compression setup on s54 build the
    engine. If want to cheap out stick with e36. There was more
    then one reason it didn't work but you seem to think you slap it on
    and are good to go. Sorry I don't want a half ass setup maybe that's your game
    but not mine. I'd rather have a solid built engine.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    If you want proper low compression setup on s54 build the
    engine. If want to cheap out stick with e36. There was more
    then one reason it didn't work but you seem to think you slap it on
    and are good to go. Sorry I don't want a half ass setup maybe that's your game
    but not mine. I'd rather have a solid built engine.
    Last i checked I have a built motor. When the proper tech is working on a car great things can be done. You seem to have some hate directed towards the e36/older car that put up some great races against HPF cars. I do not think i need to post those vids here. The topic is the weeping beep on pump gas mode.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    well whoever was trying didnt know what they were doing. i'm interested in knowing what the stock motor can do on pump gas with a mls or copper head gasket.
    They absolutely knew what they were doing, it's not possible on the S54 without lengthening the timing chain in some way, I did not want to go that route.
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    There's plenty of good turners/shops. If I was as easy as you say I'm sure one of them wouldve done it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    They absolutely knew what they were doing, it's not possible on the S54 without lengthening the timing chain in some way, I did not want to go that route.
    So it is doable, but you didnt want to go thru that. Understandable.
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    well i'm off to bed. It would be great to see someone with time/money try what I'm talking about here. Happy Boosting fellow humans
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    There you go. I have nothing against e36. You for one know i'm looking to buy one. I have a problem with you thinking since you can do on e36 we should on e46. I also have a problem with you and everyone talking hpf kits like you have one.

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    Time and money. Lol. If you got money you would build the
    engine and do it the right way.

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    Nite GG. You know I have love for e36s. Almost positive that my next build. I just don't agree with well we it on this car let's do it on that one. Each car is different. I will have a maxpsi built turbo e36 monster after I'm done with hpf car. The e36 will be my daliy driver at first tho.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Added piece of mind would be added with a head gasket lowering compression.
    I have thought this as well for the S54. Seems it isn't popular for whatever reasons, the S50/S52 guys tend to do it far more often and it is almost considered common place.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    They absolutely knew what they were doing, it's not possible on the S54 without lengthening the timing chain in some way, I did not want to go that route.
    Makes sense, that is the reason.

    Has anyone attempted to lengthen the timing chain?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Makes sense, that is the reason.

    Has anyone attempted to lengthen the timing chain?
    Seems like the shops didnt want to put the time into doing such a thing. I would love to see what the stock internals can handle with lower compression. It would help the 91 octane guys who do not want to spend all the cash on a built motor, and not have to worry so much about some semi bad gas.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    I would love to see what the stock internals can handle with lower compression.
    I have the same curiosity in this respect. I think maybe we could even see 800 whp. Certainly cheaper than building the motor, not sure why no one has tried it. It does not sound as simple as you are making it seem though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    I think you guys just have something against hpf. There's more hpf kits on s54 then any other. 3 people have had major problems. It seem the fags on m3forum and select e36guys say more $#@! about hpf cars. Then hpf owners.
    I remember people I didn't know telling me my motor would blow up.. that I was an idiot for buying a VF kit.. etc.. etc.. I didn't even own a M3 when the pissing match between HPF and VF went down nor did I participate on the forums to even know about the drama. So at least from my perspective both sides have taken their shots.. I can see were the animosity might stem from.

    I'm starting to think a very small minority population of BMW enthusiasts are simply drama whores.

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    The people who talk $#@! the most usually don't have experiance with either kit. Sometimes don't even have a m3/BMW. I knew you would go hpf.

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    Going hpf is a good idea just avoid the beep.
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    80 kits a counting. Most have never heard beep. I never have. I don't drive around with music blasting like a thug either.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    80 kits a counting. Most have never heard beep. I never have. I don't drive around with music blasting like a thug either.
    ok but the beep is there to help. have you found out what exactly caused the issue with your motor? maybe the beep sound died
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    They checked it. Works fine. Yes I know. I'm just waiting for hpf to post so they can explain in depth. FULL DETAIL. Instead of my half ass anwser. Chris said he's posting the thread next week.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    They checked it. Works fine. Yes I know. I'm just waiting for hpf to post so they can explain in depth. FULL DETAIL. Instead of my half ass anwser. Chris said he's posting the thread next week.
    I have trained Chris with my vast amounts of knowledge. He contains good amounts of knowledge.
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