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    what exhaust do you have? other than exhaust, the 2 of you have the same exact Mods?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    I donīt have meth.... yet.
    I find it interesting ESS owners are adding meth after ESS claimed it was not necessary and dangerous on the S65.

    Maybe it has something to do with the issues at higher boost?

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    I have a RPI midpipe ( i only use the front part)with a custom made X-pipe and 2 silencers, stock rear mufflers

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    The only reason for meth (if i do it) is that it is possible to run a higher boost without the risk for knock, it is like using race gas the whole time, but i guess you know that already

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    The only reason for meth (if i do it) is that it is possible to run a higher boost without the risk for knock, it is like using race gas the whole time, but i guess you know that already
    Yep, and I would definitely do the same in your place. Just find it interesting ESS claimed it was unsafe yet owners are finding they need it for higher boost.

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    The only thing that makes it unsafe is if the meth flow stops during some hard pulls, you need some sort of safety function that reduces boost.
    How has gintani solved that?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    The only thing that makes it unsafe is if the meth flow stops during some hard pulls, you need some sort of safety function that reduces boost.
    How has gintani solved that?
    The meth kit they use comes with its own safety features.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The meth kit they use comes with its own safety features.
    The meth kit alone could hardly protect the engine if meth flow stops.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    The meth kit alone could hardly protect the engine if meth flow stops.
    Yep, but a good meth kit should alert you that flow has stopped.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    The only thing that makes it unsafe is if the meth flow stops during some hard pulls, you need some sort of safety function that reduces boost.
    How has gintani solved that?
    This is not the reasoning ESS uses against meth.

    I do find it funny that ESS users are installing meth systems, since ESS has routinely put meth down.

    The icing on the cake would be if PG started using meth, since he likes to call it a band-aid.

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    The better Meth kits available have guages and controllers that are connected to the ECU/DME-whatever to retard boost or timing-wastegate or whatever in the event that meth is not flowing.

    As for people calling meth a bandaid (in S65, not N54-different discussion).. Im no pro, but the simple fact that spraying even 100% distilled water will drop the IAT, combat detonation, and combat heatsoak, better than the IC. so adding meth as well, to give some octane is a just a benefit, why not use it.. anyone claiming otherwise is just simple minded..

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    Some guy named Sal at Evolve was the one that started talking about how dangerous it was to use meth. on the S65 engine.

    Meth is not necessary until you get to the higher boost levels (9-10 psi). I'm sure if and when ESS makes a kit that's over 8psi on stock compression they will offer meth.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    The icing on the cake would be if PG started using meth, since he likes to call it a band-aid.
    If he had meth maybe he wouldn't have had those high boost issues that forced him to rebuild his motor?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    I'm sure if and when ESS makes a kit that's over 8psi on stock compression they will offer meth.
    If they do, they will be hypocrites after all their BS talk about how it isn't safe with the S65 knock sensors. I hope it happens, will give me plenty to write about.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    The better Meth kits available have guages and controllers that are connected to the ECU/DME-whatever to retard boost or timing-wastegate or whatever in the event that meth is not flowing.
    I'm not going to name names, but I know someone who had meth that stopped flowing in an S65 application. The tune safety guards kicked in to protect the motor.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pea Click here to enlarge
    The only thing that makes it unsafe is if the meth flow stops during some hard pulls, you need some sort of safety function that reduces boost.
    How has gintani solved that?
    Its not an issue because Gintani doesn't turn the timing up high enough that if the meth somehow stopped flowing it would be dangerous for the engine anyway. Some other applications of meth in other setups crank the timing WAY up to get the most power out of the car but doing this without a failsafe is dangerous because your motor will die quickly. This has been proven by Drew who ran his car without meth in the tank and noticed minor differences in performance. Think of it like this imagine adding a lil race gas into your tank every time you fill up your car might perform a lil better but if you were to put just standard pump gas it wouldn't harm your motor it just wouldn't have the exact same performance thats basically how you have to look at it. I think Drew lost about 2 tenths on his 60-130 iirc between running meth and just running straight 91 octane to me that is a very minor difference and the real benefit of the meth is to help further reduce IAT which is always a good thing.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    This is not the reasoning ESS uses against meth.

    I do find it funny that ESS users are installing meth systems, since ESS has routinely put meth down.

    The icing on the cake would be if PG started using meth, since he likes to call it a band-aid.
    LOL I know seriously

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    Some guy named Sal at Evolve was the one that started talking about how dangerous it was to use meth. on the S65 engine.

    Meth is not necessary until you get to the higher boost levels (9-10 psi). I'm sure if and when ESS makes a kit that's over 8psi on stock compression they will offer meth.
    Well I remember them all yapping about how meth was not an option because meth would eat the aluminum block and that it would damage the "ionic knock sensors" Up until now this has been proven to be complete and utter BS...

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    If he had meth maybe he wouldn't have had those high boost issues that forced him to rebuild his motor?
    Hmmm...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If they do, they will be hypocrites after all their BS talk about how it isn't safe with the S65 knock sensors. I hope it happens, will give me plenty to write about.
    +100

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If they do, they will be hypocrites after all their BS talk about how it isn't safe with the S65 knock sensors. I hope it happens, will give me plenty to write about.
    Oh I know you will! I looked back at the thread on M3post where Sal & Le Mans Blue talked about how it was not safe to use meth with the Ion Sensing Knock Control, but Roman never commented. Where did ESS say it was unsafe?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    Oh I know you will! I looked back at the thread on M3post where Sal & Le Mans Blue talked about how it was not safe to use meth with the Ion Sensing Knock Control, but Roman never commented. Where did ESS say it was unsafe?
    Even if he didn't say it himself which i'm sure he did but its probably gone now. He never corrected the false statements...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
    Oh I know you will! I looked back at the thread on M3post where Sal & Le Mans Blue talked about how it was not safe to use meth with the Ion Sensing Knock Control, but Roman never commented. Where did ESS say it was unsafe?
    You raise a good point in ESS not stating it themselves directly in that thraed. I know they have fed some of that information though so if it happens, I'll do my research and present it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Ferrari gets a jump, no doubt about it. However, takes the ESS car forever to pull. Interesting race:

    not impressed.

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    Man I want to see the SLS vs that R8 with the ECU

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    I dunno but this run makes me laugh at that M3 I smell an ESS kit for sale soon...

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    Did the ESS car and that C63 run?

    It's not like we would see the run if the ESS car lost anyway, why am I asking.

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    California is failing every race.
    Some people live long, meaningful lives.

    Other people eat shit and die.

    I'm not racist, I hate everybody equally; especially fat people.


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    California is failing every race.
    Heh, that is true, it isn't exactly a fast Ferrari.

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