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    e60 vs f10

    Not mine I found this and just thought I would share.

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    S85 crushes it.

    That's really well done. Will front page tomorrow.

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    that v10 is the best bmw exhaust note to date imho
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    @Sticky you still going to front page this
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    Lol F10 sounds like a toy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    @Sticky you still going to front page this
    Yes just busy as hell.

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    IND-Distribution shows off the difference in engine notes between the E60 M5 S85 V10 and F10 M5 S63TU V8 plus the sound quality of the Eisenmann Race Exhaust

    Very well done sound quality comparison and high quality video from IND-Distribution demonstrating the difference between two M motors and really two different eras. One represents the classic M high revving naturally aspirated approach that being the S85 5.0 liter V10 in the E60 M5. The other is the brand new "Efficient Dynamics" era S63TU Twin Turbo direct injected 4.4 liter V8 in the brand new F10 M5. Both are equipped with Eisenmann exhaust systems. So which sounds better?

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    It is no contest. The S85 V10 is arguably the best sounding production M motor of all time with simply an exotic engine note that is difficult to equate to anything that is not expensive and Italian. This is the only production V10 for street car use ever produced by M and they the bar very high. Literally, the only other place you could get something on this level would be in a much more expensive exotic from Italy. We will never see (or hear) something this good in a new M car ever again. The Eisenmann Race exhaust compliments and accentuates the engine note perfectly.

    Then there is new S63TU V8 alongside the E60 M5. The engine note has been described as weak and BMW even pipes in synthetic noise due to this. Is there anything else that needs to be said really? It will never sound as good as the S85 V10 at full song. Period. An aftermarket exhaust like the Eisenmann Race you hear here definitely will help it sound more like an M should but this comparison is no contest.

    If you want your M5 to sound like this, contact IND-Distribution: http://ind-distribution.com/main.php @Ilia@IND @Nate@IND


    F10 M5 Eisenmann Race with AMS downpipes:


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    You will be missed v10 Click here to enlarge

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    No contest. the old e60 is in a league of its own. The new M5 sounds so weak, specially out of the box.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    No contest. the old e60 is in a league of its own. The new M5 sounds so weak, specially out of the box.
    Exactly.

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    e60 sounds better.......but which one is faster Click here to enlarge 350z's sound cool tooClick here to enlarge

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    The difference between the two isn't as big as it should be.

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    How much more should it be? I think there is a pretty big difference...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    How much more should it be? I think there is a pretty big difference...
    Well considering it's almost 100 whp it should be 10 miles per hour in trap speed if not more considering the the dual clutch in the F10 but it isn't. The S85 and the E60 are more efficient per horse it seems.

    Plus, you can get the S85 all motor with less WHP to match the F10 M5 and actually exceed it. That should say plenty.

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    The f10 is just too heavy( not to say the e60 is light), the added weight really holds the f10 back. Also it sounds like $#@! even with its exhaust pumped through the speakers. Ill take a full bolt on e60 with an evolve tune over tr f10 any day.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    The f10 is just too heavy( not to say the e60 is light), the added weight really holds the f10 back. Also it sounds like $#@! even with its exhaust pumped through the speakers. Ill take a full bolt on e60 with an evolve tune over tr f10 any day.
    It also doesn't have as wide or nice of a curve.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It also doesn't have as wide or nice of a curve.
    Yeah the e60 looks a lot better IMO
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    Always liked this nice S85 burnout.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Always liked this nice S85 burnout.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_uMHTQEl4
    Good looking M5...

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    More S85 porn! M6 tho.. I will make a full review here on Bimmerboost when I get my RPI exhaust, pics, vids, install etc.




    To add to the convo, before I bought my E60 M5, coming from my FBO modded 335i's for 6 years, I went for a test drive in my cousins F10 M5 extensively. I always felt the N54 was soft in its power delivery and only at low RPM tq was there that rush of O $#@!, this is pulling feeling. Its mid range and top end was dull and artificial, I felt the same way when I drove the F10 M5. Its heavy, turning transitions are horrible, you can feel the weight and the massiveness of the car, and the engine has that artificial speed feel, not much sensation, like the N54 but more power/speed.
    The S85, you have that change in power in the mid range and that extra hard top rev pull which feels amazing! Then the SMG in full S6 mode gets you that bang, there is honestly no feeling like it! The E60 feels raw in its power and driving experience. F10 does get a lot better MPG, is a gorgeous car, has loads of TQ, easier to drive and smoother then the E60. Its fast as hell in speed, but getting to that speed will never be as involved and exciting as the E60 M5.

    Here is a video that was taken during my run with my cousins F10 M5 back in the winter:
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    On top of being the first engine that M hasn't built completely, it sounds horrible compared to the S85, and sounds exactly like a 550i or 650i. It isn't fun to see 550i owners walk around talking about how they basically have the same engine as is in the M5, and no1 has time to sit there and explain to the public the difference.


    Here is a good article:
    http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...p?c=47&i=25233

    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3"
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    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3" -Pistonheads (M5 feature)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3"
    Somebody gets it.

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    the video is a little bit "lame" as the old M5 comes alive at certain rpm and under load even more.
    Listen to this one, formula 1 feeling/sound with an eisenmann race exhaust:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    that v10 is the best bmw exhaust note to date imho
    I personally think it's the best production car exhaust note across all manufacturers... Call me crazy for not going with an exotic, but for some reason, this hits home for me - it sounds about as close to an F1 car as you can get... I love this engine.

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    If it had a flat-plane crank I'd agree. Nothing beats a Ferrari.

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    first video:

    F10 sounds muffled

    E60 shreds it


    last 2:

    F10 sounds miles better, throaty and powerful, E60 sounds hollow and muffled

    all comes down to how they're trying to record it it seems... video 2, the F10 sounds 10000 times better than the first video

    >The S85 V10 is arguably the best sounding production M motor of all time with simply an exotic engine note that is difficult to equate to anything that is not expensive and Italian.

    here, used F10's are ~200k, new ~250k

    you can get a few year old ferrari (v8, V12, whatever) for that >_<

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