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    Updated 335is dyno

    Hey guys,

    Had a chance to dyno a 335is today. He's running JB4 G5 (ISO_21 firmware), a new backend flash we made a couple weeks ago for DCT cars, BMS downpipes, BMS DCI, BMS CP, ETS IC, E40, and a BMS meth kit. All runs were done on map 7 which targets 18.5psi peak tapering to 14.5psi at redline. Runs were done in 5th gear and temps were in the high 70s.

    Car performed flawlessly on the dyno and set a new N54 stock turbo power record. It's a touch over advanced for E40 @ ~6300rpm but the owner plans to run E50 and shifts around 6000rpm anyway, so we decided to leave it as is for now. We'll collect some additional road logs for further evaluation. The car is an absolute beast and he reports no DCT trans slippage. Click here to enlarge
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    With ISO_21 we raised the duty cycle limit up to 86%. Map 7 is a fairly aggressive map and socal weather is always warm and sunny. Great for tans bad for turbo limited cars. On a cold night I'm sure he'll be closer to 72% duty cycle for the same boost levels. Would make more power too. On our MT E92 we had to run ~20psi to match these power numbers so the DCT is definitely worth a few HP.
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    Good luck beating on stock frame turbos with that much wgdc...really not sure why you wouldn't cap it at 70% as absolute max...it'll destroy them quickly at those duty cycles up top..i get glory runs but to let them wind out to 86% is seriously way too high man
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Good luck beating on stock frame turbos with that much wgdc...really not sure why you wouldn't cap it at 70% as absolute max...it'll destroy them quickly at those duty cycles up top..i get glory runs but to let them wind out to 86% is seriously way too high man
    It was previously capped at 80% in the JB4 software but more and more customers just want the power output and don't care much about turbo life. It's hard to blame them as the factory turbos are pretty stout. The real risk IMHO isn't the turbos it's engine knock from all that exhaust back pressure. E85 comes in very handy for that. With real load on road PWM would be running closer to around 75%. I ran map 7 up to ~150mph all day long at the last runway event and by 5th gear PWM was actually down below 70% due to the higher EGT.
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    460 WHP / 488 WTQ isn't a new stock turbo record -- Especially considering I'm hitting 461 WHP / 500 WTQ and @Njz has higher HP than me @ 469 WHP / 491 WTQ
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    460 WHP / 488 WTQ isn't a new stock turbo record -- Especially considering I'm hitting 461 WHP / 500 WTQ and @Njz has higher HP than me @ 469 WHP / 491 WTQ
    I had a customer report 500rw on stock turbos last year. But it was some goofy European dyno. Only dynojets count. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Only dynojets count. Click here to enlarge
    I never understood this, especially if you have a Stock Baseline on the same dyno that illustrates the gains
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    I never understood this, especially if you have a Stock Baseline on the same dyno that illustrates the gains
    It's because dynojets read relatively consistently across the world. I can make a baseline run be anything I want it to be but I can't make a dynojet read higher than normal. Njz is running basically the same map we ran when we made 460rw so he should be around 450-460rw with meth flowing on a dynojet.
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    this is of course assuming terrys 290 whp baseline dynojet... so pull 20 whp to be even w everyone else lol. A stock 335i dynos 265-275... any less and u have a low reading dyno, any more and u have a high reading dyno. Simple as that...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I had a customer report 500rw on stock turbos last year. But it was some goofy European dyno. Only dynojets count. Click here to enlarge
    Maybe it was the same one that made 1300whp on the S85 with a small blower Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    I never understood this, especially if you have a Stock Baseline on the same dyno that illustrates the gains
    Because glory runs on optomistic dynos sell tunes.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    this is of course assuming terrys 290 whp baseline dynojet... so pull 20 whp to be even w everyone else lol. A stock 335i dynos 265-275... any less and u have a low reading dyno, any more and u have a high reading dyno. Simple as that...
    SpecialtyZ is considered the gold standard for dynos in this area by the boosted M3 crowd. This is the same dyno both Drew and Sticky use for their testing. They report it reads lower than some other dynojets in the area. I've been using it for years before SpecialtyZ owned it when it was LAPDs (corvette shop) dyno.

    I dyno stock cars there all the time. They do 275-280whp. A few months ago I dyno tested a new 535 and he definitely did not think it was a high reading dyno. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Because glory runs on optomistic dynos sell tunes.
    Fair, but the nearest DynoJet is an Hr+ from me. Meanwhile, Undercover has a perfectly good reading dyno that ran 270 WHP on stock tune. IMHO, it doesn't matter what type of dyno you're on, just show gains over stock baseline. ***Obviously, conditions & un-reversible mods (like a turbo or supercharger upgrade) can throw a wrench in the whole thing. But once the car is set loose on the road, the performance (60-130s, 1/4 miles, runs vs. comparable cars, etc) should back up the HP claims.
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    Stock n54 usually put down 260whp on dynojets
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    You can use meth with Map 7?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Stock n54 usually put down 260whp on dynojets
    so RBs and FBO (no meth) are worth 30HP at stock boost?

    IIRC, all the other RB 20psi dynos were close to my last N54 ones (290/512)..scattered across the US..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Stock n54 usually put down 260whp on dynojets
    not sure what dyno jets you're talking about. 270-280 has long been the baseline standard.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by keikdasneak Click here to enlarge
    You can use meth with Map 7?
    You can spray meth on any map
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    460 WHP / 488 WTQ isn't a new stock turbo record -- Especially considering I'm hitting 461 WHP / 500 WTQ and @Njz has higher HP than me @ 469 WHP / 491 WTQ
    Was this done on Bren's dyno? LOL

    Food for thought, a 135i with Brens tune, fmic and dci was proclaiming he made around 400whp on e85/93 and then ran a 12.6@107mph with a 1.9 60ft. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    460 WHP / 488 WTQ isn't a new stock turbo record -- Especially considering I'm hitting 461 WHP / 500 WTQ and @Njz has higher HP than me @ 469 WHP / 491 WTQ
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    Terry, food for thought:


    I know you love running lean-ish on E85 mixtures but I think 12.5 is the sweet spot for a bit more safety and consistency on it. Rather run rich if it isn't costing you significant power than go all out. sweet numbers though

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
    Was this done on Bren's dyno? LOL

    Food for thought, a 135i with Brens tune, fmic and dci was proclaiming he made around 400whp on e85/93 and then ran a 12.6@107mph with a 1.9 60ft. Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    No way this post is serious Click here to enlarge
    This was on Bren's dyno, but when I got there we ran my PTF Pump Gas (93) ProTune (which was only tuned on the street) and the numbers matched up to what Undercover's dyno read. RnmEvo9, I agree your friends times are off, especially if he's a 6AT. If it's an 6MT, then that's 100% driver error.
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    running lean with e85 is also a function of trying to keep the fueling system happy... Also the dynomite dyno used at Undercover is not inflated, I made 265-270 on the dyno FBO with BMS flash active for e85.
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