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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Detuned M4 engine would just make this step all over the M4 and BMW carefully positioned the M3 to not step on the M6. So... if an M version comes I think a tuned N20 makes all the more sense especially when positioned against the CLA45 AMG and the Audi S3.

    Maybe BMW will get their balls back as an engine builder and try to show what they can do with a four cylinder as AMG set the bar absurdly high with theirs.
    You're right...all the rumors have it as a 4 cil but I would rather have a 6.

    Doesn't bmw have a 3 cil that makes over 300 hp stock? I saw a vid of that 3 cilynder engine and it actually sounded better that the n54...about the same as an n55. I will see if I can find it.
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    Overall, it looks OK, if a little mundane. Also, I'm not a fan of the awkward hood line found on current BMWs.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    Doesn't bmw have a 3 cil that makes over 300 hp stock? I saw a vid of that 3 cilynder engine and it actually sounded better that the n54...about the same as an n55. I will see if I can find it.
    It doesn't make over 300. Something around 220.

    Don't give them any ideas they may try to stick it in there.

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    The M235i will have an N55. How on earth would they put a 4 banger in the lineups M car? Not gonna happen. I say the new M3/M4 has a TT I6 with 450hp. The M2 has a turbo or TT I6 that makes about 380hp. This would put it 80hp over the 235i and 70hp less than the M3/4. I'm still not sure whether it'll be it's own motor or detuned M3/4 motor
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    The M235i will have an N55. How on earth would they put a 4 banger in the lineups M car? Not gonna happen
    You act like they have never put a four cylinder in a car they already offered with a 6.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    The M2 has a turbo or TT I6 that makes about 380hp.
    It's certainly possible and if this is so then it will crap all over the CLA45 AMG and the Audi S3.

    I would like to see BMW do something different than just take the 6 they already have and stick it in everything.

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    M2 CSL with N54 would be the tits!
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    that would be just like the M235i (it doesnt make that difference any more).
    A real M2 CSL with a motorsport engine (dedicated engine) would be fun. High revving V8 or straight 6. (maybe a supercharger but no turbo at all).

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    The M2 engine is going to be a massaged N55 putting out 370hp to 380hp. You can take that to the bank.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cisi Click here to enlarge
    that would be just like the M235i (it doesnt make that difference any more).
    A real M2 CSL with a motorsport engine (dedicated engine) would be fun. High revving V8 or straight 6. (maybe a supercharger but no turbo at all).
    Not gonna happen unfortunately. No way a V8 will be put into a 2-series. A IL6 would be possible, but with current emissions witch hunting a turbo engine is far more likely. Beefed-up N55 most likely. Although I would prefer the N54 for tunability.
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    This is my new favorite contemporary design from BMW, short of the M6 and M6 Gran Coupe. It looks great, better than the F30 and I suspect better than the new 4-series coupe too (because that shares the front with the 3 sedan which is ugly to me).

    Finally BMW did not ruin a small car design in order to favor the bigger cars in sales (probably thanks to the Mercedes CLA and A-class competition ?). The hideous headlamps from the new 1-series are gone, and the new ones look so much better. The front bumper looks great too.

    This is a win. If it will be like 300lbs lighter than the 4-series coupe (ok, I'm dreaming), the M2 will be great. However I think that a good M2 should not have the N55 320hp engine because it really needs like 350hp to be very good, like the 1M has. I would hope it has a detuned (or better, not detuned) M4 S55 engine Click here to enlarge
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    Yes...not detuned S55 should be it!!!!
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    from what i have read around, chances are huge it will be a tuned N20 (4 cyl turbo) to compete with the CLA AMG and finally the golf R and RS3.
    But im still hoping for a detuned M3 engine.(new M3)

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    If this is true, I have a feeling sales aren't going to be as good as they would have been if it was just a tuned N55. It's just idiotic to put an I4T (not even a true individual M motor) in the segment's M car and an I6T in the less expensive car. Sure, stock for stock the M2 may have 350HP with the I4 and the M235i will have 300HP in the I6 but it doesn't take a genius to figure out which one has more potential, especially from an I6T that's been around for 3 years now. WTF

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cisi Click here to enlarge
    from what i have read around, chances are huge it will be a tuned N20 (4 cyl turbo) to compete with the CLA AMG and finally the golf R and RS3.
    But im still hoping for a detuned M3 engine.(new M3)
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    Did 3/4 of the brains of BMW die in the last 5 years?
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    I like it....but its lost the puppy doh playful look of the 1series

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    If this is true, I have a feeling sales aren't going to be as good as they would have been if it was just a tuned N55. It's just idiotic to put an I4T (not even a true individual M motor) in the segment's M car and an I6T in the less expensive car. Sure, stock for stock the M2 may have 350HP with the I4 and the M235i will have 300HP in the I6 but it doesn't take a genius to figure out which one has more potential, especially from an I6T that's been around for 3 years now. WTF
    the problem ist, bmw already figured out some years ago that the M Badge sells more than the M philosophy. It will sell because it is an M2 thats it.
    But im waiting for final confirmation, after that i will try to buy the M2 if it has a 6cyl or the M235i if the M2 has just 4 of them.

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    looks like it would be in the same class an frz/brz/

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    looks like it would be in the same class an frz/brz/
    not really. Frs only has 200hp
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    It's just idiotic to put an I4T (not even a true individual M motor) in the segment's M car and an I6T in the less expensive car.
    Not really and they did it with the E30.

    If they do an S20 motor it will likely be something special. Maybe they'll even rev it out, who knows. It may be far more exciting to drive than the comparatively lazy N55.

    Honestly, that would be way more in the M spirit than just doing some programming to the N55 and likely make for a way more fun car.

    Nobody knows what they will do though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    looks like it would be in the same class an frz/brz/
    Um, no.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    not really. Frs only has 200hp
    and whats this have? i guess i missed that

    but purely on looks. i dont know the grouping of it, but body styles are similar

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    and whats this have? i guess i missed that

    but purely on looks. i dont know the grouping of it, but body styles are similar
    The FRS is a much cheaper entry level car. It would be like saying the FRS competes with the 1-Series now, it doesn't.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    and whats this have? i guess i missed that

    but purely on looks. i dont know the grouping of it, but body styles are similar
    well the M235i is going to have 300hp so i assume this is going to have 350-380hp.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not really and they did it with the E30.
    this times are gone. Its not like when they had a standard 6cyl for the normals and a race 4 cyl for the M folk.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If they do an S20 motor it will likely be something special. Maybe they'll even rev it out, who knows. It may be far more exciting to drive than the comparatively lazy N55.
    Honestly, that would be way more in the M spirit than just doing some programming to the N55 and likely make for a way more fun car.
    Nobody knows what they will do though.
    it will be a tuned BMW engine anyway, nothing special. Not hig revving etc.
    So if i have to chooes between a chiptuned N20 and a chiptuned N55 i go for the chipped N55. At least i have more potential for my own projects there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cisi Click here to enlarge
    So if i have to chooes between a chiptuned N20 and a chiptuned N55 i go for the chipped N55. At least i have more potential for my own projects there.
    A 4-cylinder 2 liter engine would have to be fully forged (including pistons) to be M-reliable at 300+ hp, like the CLA 45 AMG engine which is forged (there was an article a few weeks back). So it could have good potential with larger turbos. And I think that a 4 cylinder would have to have one hell of a technology to avoid turbo lag at this power level (maybe hybrid drivetrain ? 3rd turbo ?).

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