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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    There goes the neighbourhood. Just not seeing how this cyber war solves anything...
    Considering all the negative press he would have gotten much more respect from the community, future interest, etc., if he concentrated his effort on making this work instead of trying to point fingers and insult people.

    I for one prefer positive resolutions that get people enjoying their cars and if this guy had even a shred of decency he would see there are better ways to go about this.

    Luckily for him I guess there are plenty of states to keep moving to.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    ....My goal is sub 11.5, I truly believe this set-up can do it without upgraded snails. I already have all the M3 suspension parts and i'm defiantly getting an LSD/Diff Lockdown kit. I'll get some roll videos uploaded later this week so you can see it in action.....
    Better yet, low 11s possibly break 10s if your getting suspension work done along with DRs. I will work with you on the side on the launching method, and give some hints on shifting but I need to see a log to interpret how your DCT is working with the RPM shifts.

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    Wow I'm confused reading all this...I have a Z4 35i and am running RB's+FBO+Meth through a DCT and it started to slip about 6 months ago. I've had to take it quiet (to protect the clutch) and after reading the first post of this thread I am all excited that there may finally be a solution with SSP - or is there??? Is there any alternative? I don't just want to stop there - I want more torque and more power but need a clutch that can get it to the wheels! I really like the DCT and want to make it work.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    Wow I'm confused reading all this...I have a Z4 35i and am running RB's+FBO+Meth through a DCT and it started to slip about 6 months ago. I've had to take it quiet (to protect the clutch) and after reading the first post of this thread I am all excited that there may finally be a solution with SSP - or is there??? Is there any alternative? I don't just want to stop there - I want more torque and more power but need a clutch that can get it to the wheels! I really like the DCT and want to make it work.
    Are you running a piggyback or flash tune? Your DCT needs to see calculated torque to increase the pressure of the clutch's - thats the first step.
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    @Sticky - I'm I not allowed to defend the company that delivered such sound customer service to me and has spent countless hours working on my transmission.... Especially after a month of you bashing them on the other thread, and suggesting that it is a hardware issue? Do you have any concrete evidence that it was a hardware malfunction? Can you explain how the installation bricked your transmission? is it not possible that it could be TCU or tune related? I'm just looking for details, no need to be so vulgar keyboard warrior Click here to enlarge.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
    Better yet, low 11s possibly break 10s if your getting suspension work done along with DRs. I will work with you on the side on the launching method, and give some hints on shifting but I need to see a log to interpret how your DCT is working with the RPM shifts.
    Can't wait to discuss LC techniques with you Click here to enlarge and bring this bad boy to the track. I'll ask Dzenno for some of the logs I've sent him going from dig, so you can see what the car is doing.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    Wow I'm confused reading all this...I have a Z4 35i and am running RB's+FBO+Meth through a DCT and it started to slip about 6 months ago. I've had to take it quiet (to protect the clutch) and after reading the first post of this thread I am all excited that there may finally be a solution with SSP - or is there??? Is there any alternative? I don't just want to stop there - I want more torque and more power but need a clutch that can get it to the wheels! I really like the DCT and want to make it work.
    Shoot me a PM and i'll give you the email of the DCT tech that worked on my car. Would love to see what a DCT can do with upgraded snails!!!

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    wow, what a thread - JBC down boys!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nash335 Click here to enlarge
    wow, what a thread - JBC down boys!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    I don't know why it didn't work on your car, maybe its just a lemon, but I'm pretty confident that it wasn't an install issue as you posted.
    Woh...hold it now. That is major backpedal from your earlier claims. You said you had other info or more info would come out.

    You do realize Stickys is not the only M3 the SSP upgrade failed in....RIGHT?

    Please tell my why Drew's upgrade failed. A completely different tuning house working on that car and they couldn't get it to work.


    I smell something real fishy going on, the timing of this is all wrong.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    Wow I'm confused reading all this...I have a Z4 35i and am running RB's+FBO+Meth through a DCT and it started to slip about 6 months ago. I've had to take it quiet (to protect the clutch) and after reading the first post of this thread I am all excited that there may finally be a solution with SSP - or is there??? Is there any alternative? I don't just want to stop there - I want more torque and more power but need a clutch that can get it to the wheels! I really like the DCT and want to make it work.
    Get someone to up your line pressure... you don't need to tear it apart.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    @Sticky - I'm I not allowed to defend the company that delivered such sound customer service to me and has spent countless hours working on my transmission.... Especially after a month of you bashing them on the other thread, and suggesting that it is a hardware issue? Do you have any concrete evidence that it was a hardware malfunction? Can you explain how the installation bricked your transmission? is it not possible that it could be TCU or tune related? I'm just looking for details, no need to be so vulgar keyboard warrior Click here to enlarge.
    Not allowed to defend? You attacking me is defending them?

    Who told you not to post your results or share your experience? You are attempting to do it at my expense. I see no reason why you need to mention me while sharing your results which clearly means this is all contrived, designed, and aimed directly at me to try to shift blame once again. I love how SSP will go to any length other than actually taking a look at the damn transmission which is what they should be doing. Yep, fantastic company.

    Don't tell me about countless hours I sat around for practically countless years waiting on this company, ok?

    Bashing them? Oh yeah, silly me sending Kris an e-mail saying I'm not pointing fingers but would like my trans issues resolved and him not even taking any time to see what might be wrong.

    Do I have any concrete evidence of a hardware malfunction? Yeah, I do, like the second clutch not holding pressure and not shifting consistently. Hence why you see a damn VIDEO of my car going through the gears at WOT with an OEM box without issue. So, OEM box works, SSP box doesn't work, only change is that box/hardware. Do you have trouble with basic critical thinking?

    What, I have some master plan to sit on my ass for years and then blame SSP? I'm the guy who sent the trans, I'm the guy who send him my whole car when he asked, I'm the guy that gave him free advertising, I'm the guy who didn't slam them for being over a year late, I'm the guy who wrote TWELVE articles for SSP, and you think what, that is me bashing? How stupid are you? Seriously, hit yourself in the face with your keyboard.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Woh...hold it now. That is major back peddle from your earlier claims. You said you had other info or more info would come out. Why are you back peddling now.

    You do realize Stickys is not the only M3 the SSP upgrade failed in....RIGHT?

    Please tell my why Drew's upgrade failed. A completely different tuning house working on that car and they couldn't get it to work.


    I smell something real fishy going on, the timing of this is all wrong.
    I cannot speak about Drews car as I don't know full details about it...but why doesn't sticky share with us how long his transmission sat on the shop floor for? or how come it took so long to test out the clutches? You would think that if he had issues early own, he would of contacted Kris immediately. I know when I had some problems, they where dealt with very quickly (usually had the DCT tech fix any issue within the week).

    Whats fishy about the timing? I asked Steve and Kris early on that I would like to have my car up and running before track season... and it is?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    I cannot speak about Drews car as I don't know full details about it...
    Oh and you have full details on mine right? What is it about my transmission that interests you so much? Do I know you? Nope. You doing SSP's dirty work for them blindly is hilarious to me though.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    but why doesn't sticky share with us how long his transmission sat on the shop floor for?
    Is this info not in the trans build thread or something? Yeah the trans sat while they rebuilt the motor. Did SSP include a timed self-destruct mode or something?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    You would think that if he had issues early own, he would of contacted Kris immediately.
    Um I contacted Kris right away, as politely as possible, and was told to F off. So I'm sorry, what exactly would you have me do? Guy says he is "bowing out" before even bothering to take a look. He has my car and parts for almost two years but can't take any time to see why it isn't functioning correctly? What a classy guy:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    Whats fishy about the timing? I asked Steve and Kris early on that I would like to have my car up and running before track season... and it is?
    What's fishy? Let's see, you say nothing about this build earlier. You post no pics. You post no details. You have no build thread. And your first post about it is designed completely around attacking me. It's not designed to share info but simply misinform hence why you go around all my threads posting links to this like a classless piece of trash without even having any clue what is going on.

    Instead of spending time posting maybe you should tell Kris to stop wasting everyone's time and try getting the car working correctly with his trans as that would be the mutual benefit of everyone. If he took some time to pull his head out of his ass he would see his name would be attached to the most powerful E9X in the USA. This guy is a $#@!ing idiot. The bad press he will get will cost him more in sales than even a new clutch pack would cost. Guy is nothing more than a used car salesman with no honor or dignity.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    Do you have any concrete evidence that it was a hardware malfunction? Can you explain how the installation bricked your transmission? is it not possible that it could be TCU or tune related?
    Sticky was the first person who approached SSP about the DCT clutch pack upgrade, but he wasn't the first person to actually use them in a working car. Drew (DSLJ5 on M3P) who's running the ESS VT3 setup tried to actually use them first, hoping that he wouldn't get clutch slip and could run higher boost & more power. Install was completed, no tuning adjustments were made and when they went to drive the car, the DCT refused to work. After giving up on the SSP clutches, they tried reinstalling an OEM clutch pack & even reflashing the DCT with BMW software, it still refused to work. The SSP clutches had $#@!ed up something so badly, the DCT was turned into a paperweight & Drew had to drop $10k+ on a completely new DCT + Install + Programming.

    NOW Sticky's car is having the exact same problem as Drew's... And if these discs are truly non-directional, I highly doubt that the two shops that did the SSP clutch installs on the M3s botched the job & somehow your stock turbo 335is (which is pushing TQ that is completely manageable with the OEM setup) is the very first, SSP Upgraded DCT to be working, all because some DCT transmission specialist (Steve@SJL) who nobody has heard of / find any additional information on the internet did the install. Personally, I find it HIGHLY suspect that after ~2 years of the E9x M3s having low-compression builds and the DCT being the limiting variable, that this guy hasn't stepped forward to cash in.

    I also find it questionable that there is no documentation, proof or even photographs of this DCT builder working on your trans. Especially if you're a forum person & pioneering something, you'd at least have one pic of the build/install taking place. Do you have a receipt or anything that proves you even have the SSP clutches installed?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    Wow I'm confused reading all this...I have a Z4 35i and am running RB's+FBO+Meth through a DCT and it started to slip about 6 months ago. I've had to take it quiet (to protect the clutch) and after reading the first post of this thread I am all excited that there may finally be a solution with SSP - or is there??? Is there any alternative? I don't just want to stop there - I want more torque and more power but need a clutch that can get it to the wheels! I really like the DCT and want to make it work.
    Honestly, stick with the OEM clutch basket and run a flash tune. The DCT in the E9x M3, the 335is, Z4 is + now the F10 M5/F12 M6 all use the same clutch pack with adjustment transmission programming to compensate for the different TQ levels. Manhart Racing just released their M5 upgrade package (the MH5 S BiTurbo), which ups the power to 710 HP & 635 Ft Lbs of TQ -- It's still using the OEM DCT clutch, just with adjustments made to the DCT programming.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    omehow your stock turbo 335is (which is pushing TQ that is completely manageable with the OEM setup)
    Good question raised here and who knows if this isn't an OEM setup? I don't see anything amazing and we never saw a build thread for this...

    And the timing is right after I post? Huh?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Do you have a receipt or anything that proves you even have the SSP clutches installed?
    If they are going to this length he'll just have a receipt printed. We need to see the discs in the trans.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Honestly, stick with the OEM clutch basket and run a flash tune. The DCT in the E9x M3, the 335is, Z4 is + now the F10 M5/F12 M6 all use the same clutch pack with adjustment transmission programming to compensate for the different TQ levels. Manhart Racing just released their M5 upgrade package (the MH5 S BiTurbo), which ups the power to 710 HP & 635 Ft Lbs of TQ -- It's still using the OEM DCT clutch, just with adjustments made to the DCT programming.
    I wish I knew this back in the day. No need for any of this. Kris likely knew this as well just wanted to get his hands on a trans. I should have known when he didn't have the resources to purchase one on his own for development.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Good question raised here and who knows if this isn't an OEM setup? I don't see anything amazing and we never saw a build thread for this...

    And the timing is right after I post? Huh?
    This car is local to me. We'll be hitting the strip very soon. If they're just another OEM setup they'll have issues very quickly with the amount of torque going through it at launch especially. There's no need to speculate IMHO beating on it will prove it or disprove it as a viable upgrade
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    This car is local to me. We'll be hitting the strip very soon. If they're just another OEM setup they'll have issues very quickly with the amount of torque going through it at launch especially. There's no need to speculate IMHO
    Your post is speculation honestly as if it grips and doesn't slip it isn't evidence of hardware upgrade it could be software alone.

    If the car is local you haven't heard anything about a trans build taking place? Weird. You never posted anything...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    This car is local to me. We'll be hitting the strip very soon. If they're just another OEM setup they'll have issues very quickly with the amount of torque going through it at launch especially. There's no need to speculate IMHO beating on it will prove it or disprove it as a viable upgrade
    I agree that it won't illustrate anything, especially now if he's strictly running a flash tune & the DCT is no longer being "deceived" what the TQ values are. The real problem never was the OEM clutch basket, it's the programming so even if these are SSP clutches, chances are they'll eventually slip too.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    IMHO beating on it will prove it or disprove it as a viable upgrade
    That's not sound logic, sorry.

    If this works so easily and whatnot why isn't Kris simply making these minor adjustments in my trans so everyone is happy and why didn't he do the same with Drew? You aren't this gullible are you?

    You're telling me this comes out of nowhere when I post about issues yet the two M3's running the upgrades are forced into new transmissions even though this "works" oh so well supposedly?

    Wouldn't it be in SSP's best interest to demonstrate that with the person who donated their time and resources to them? Wouldn't it be in their interest to have this all working great rather than trying to skew the issue with random threads and threats? Just saying...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Your post is speculation honestly as if it grips and doesn't slip isn't evidence of hardware upgrade it could be software alone.

    If the car is local you haven't heard anything about a trans build taking place? Weird. You never posted anything...
    I've known about Joe's car for a couple weeks and I know he's been doing stuff on his DCT but that's all. Only reason I found out was because he told me when I was installing a meth kit on his car and he asked me to tune it. I don't have any other info on it.

    All I'm saying is that we know the DCT stock tranny on a 335i goes pretty quickly with some launches past 400wtq although most of that info was related to cars running piggybacks. This car right now is in the neighbourhood of 500wtq and running true load through a flash tune. Whether its just software that'll help I doubt it but if I had to guess I'd say you need both to work to make it a viable upgrade.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Serps Click here to enlarge
    @Sticky - I'm I not allowed to defend the company that delivered such sound customer service to me and has spent countless hours working on my transmission.... Especially after a month of you bashing them on the other thread, and suggesting that it is a hardware issue? Do you have any concrete evidence that it was a hardware malfunction? Can you explain how the installation bricked your transmission? is it not possible that it could be TCU or tune related? I'm just looking for details, no need to be so vulgar keyboard warrior Click here to enlarge.
    I'm glad your DCT is working fine, but two M3 DCTs on two different builds (running a lot more power than you) had problems with SSP's upgraded clutch packs that were installed by SSP.

    To me, it sounds like SSP messed up the install whereas your third party installer installed them correctly.

    And to your snide remark, of course Sticky's jealous. I'm 100% confident that EVERYONE wants their car running and performing perfectly.

    Hell, I'm jealous of your DCT being able to handle this amount of power! Makes me want to buy one and swap over my mods :p
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I've known about Joe's car for a couple weeks and I know he's been doing stuff on his DCT but that's all.
    Ok so who did the install then, where are the pics of the discs, where are all these details? All we get is a dyno graph that could come from a non-DCT car, a DCT car with stock discs, etc. How that proves a trans upgrade is functioning I have no clue.

    Considering this would be the first documented case of a DCT car working with the "extra SSP discs" as he is claiming I would think that's a pretty big deal.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    All I'm saying is that we know the DCT stock tranny on a 335i goes pretty quickly with some launches past 400wtq although most of that info was related to cars running piggybacks. This car right now is in the neighbourhood of 500wtq.
    And what does a tuned M5/M6 put down? Or even stock? And how does it do with launch control?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Whether its just software that'll help I doubt it but if I had to guess I'd say you need both to work to make it a viable upgrade.
    Now you're just guessing and I'm not impressed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    I'm glad your DCT is working fine, but two M3 DCTs on two different builds (running a lot more power than you) had problems with SSP's upgraded clutch packs that were installed by SSP.

    To me, it sounds like SSP messed up the install whereas your third party installer installed them correctly.

    And to your snide remark, of course Sticky's jealous. I'm 100% confident that EVERYONE wants their car running and performing perfectly.

    Hell, I'm jealous of your DCT being able to handle this amount of power! Makes me want to buy one and swap over my mods :p
    A stock DCT can handle that power, nothing to be jealous about.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
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