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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    I applaud his efforts, seriously. That being said, I wish that he would do his own work for table discovery instead of stealing mine and posting about it on a public forum with Shiv's support.
    You guys just let that slide?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nospoolin Click here to enlarge
    Looks like he was able to crack the seed/key algorithm. However he's not responding to any pm's.
    Someone explain who "he" is?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BMWJunkie Click here to enlarge
    Someone needs to crack the DCT control unit and fix my launch control lol
    I'm all for this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Someone explain who "he" is?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm all for this.
    What happened with your DCT anyway? I'm not up to date.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    What happened with your DCT anyway? I'm not up to date.
    SSP $#@! the bed with the "upgraded" clutch pack & now they've decided to completely abandon their part of the project.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    now they've decided to completely abandon their part of the project.
    I think SSP bowed out of this project many...MANY moons ago. Sadly, they didn't let Alex or Joe know.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    is it just because it's SO limited..? even the guys who DO know what they're doing have to get a protune?
    Would you care to elaborate on how it's soo limited? Using ATR i can dial in any boost/timing/AFR/VANOS curve i want to and i'm by no means a "pro." The reason people get protunes is exactly what @lulz_m3 said, we can do whatever we want to but there are things that professionals know through years of experience that we don't have.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Would you care to elaborate on how it's soo limited? Using ATR i can dial in any boost/timing/AFR/VANOS curve i want to and i'm by no means a "pro." The reason people get protunes is exactly what @lulz_m3 said, we can do whatever we want to but there are things that professionals know through years of experience that we don't have.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Would you care to elaborate on how it's soo limited? Using ATR i can dial in any boost/timing/AFR/VANOS curve i want to and i'm by no means a "pro."
    I agree on timing/AFR/VANOS, but when it comes to boost it's really helpful if what you want just happens to be very close to what they are already giving you. They are working on it, though.

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    Wow! This must be some sort of a record! My post as deleted not 5 minutes after I created it! ...on a Friday night! LOL Shiv's hard at work on E90 Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Carl Morris Click here to enlarge
    I agree on timing/AFR/VANOS, but when it comes to boost it's really helpful if what you want just happens to be very close to what they are already giving you. They are working on it, though.
    Are you referring to going above the 1.28bar boost cap or running a boost curve in a different "shape?" IE instead of tapering off towards redline it climbs.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Most of the current tunes have some safety inherently built in -- The piggys will automatically reduce timing & COBB with the OTS Maps provides map details of necessary requirements (gas octane/necessary mods). With ATR, I feel like the only people messing around with that are people who know what they're doing. With Open Source tuning, you are more likely to have people who have no idea what they're actually doing, what the map was designed for (91, 93, 100+, or E85 Maps), what mods were required, but because it's free & it'll increase the power they'll just flash for it.

    The attractiveness of "cheap" if going to lure in a lot of people who have no idea what they're doing/what's being changed. But because it'll be super easy & not cost $500, they'll just copy, paste, flash & hope for the best. Luckily the OEM DME is very advanced and as long as someone isn't altering the knock detection/sensitivity settings, people will have enough intelligence to data log & not run a tune their motor doesn't agree with.
    One piggy uses CPS (which isn't real timing control) and the other uses the DME.

    Like I said earlier, it'll be more of the same thing, people don't know what they're doing, so they stick to OTS maps or pay someone to make them a custom map, be it Cobb or this open source solution.

    If people weren't afraid of breaking something, there wouldn't be a zillion "what is the best tune" or "what is the best FMIC" threads on shivpost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Would you care to elaborate on how it's soo limited? Using ATR i can dial in any boost/timing/AFR/VANOS curve i want to and i'm by no means a "pro." The reason people get protunes is exactly what @lulz_m3 said, we can do whatever we want to but there are things that professionals know through years of experience that we don't have.
    Short of the 18.6 psi +/- boost cap, I don't find anything limiting about ATR. This reason is why I stack a piggy for boost control. It's a PITA to dial in, and it's quite limited.

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    O2 tables, speedometer calibrations, check engine light nannies, dcfo tables (for those that want fuel economy), idle over/underspeed spark advance for those thinking about headwork/cams if they ever come out of the woodwork, throttle IAT follower settings for those with 6mt and light weight flywheels who want to shift in easymode, and on and on and on.

    I probably missed about 532 :-)

    Some of those people who "shouldn't" be tuning will make mistakes, and they will learn from those mistakes, and maybe further their own interests in tuning and become the next dzenno. Tuning ATR is a great stepping stone, but to say it's not lacking is false, although that's no fault of Cobb. IMO they are the reason the open source will be here sooner rather than later. And for that I'm happy I bought an AP, even if they didn't intentionally support the effort.

    Will open source fix this and give us all the tables? Probably not. Definitely not now. But who knows, and nothing is stopping Cobb from stealing the open source discoveries and putting them right into ATR. Will open source destroy Cobb? No way, well not until these cars values hit under $10k, and maybe not even then especially if the price comes down.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Are you referring to going above the 1.28bar boost cap or running a boost curve in a different "shape?" IE instead of tapering off towards redline it climbs.
    I'm just talking about being able to set the boost target anywhere I want below 1.28 bar. I think it's worse at high elevation, but with the code I'm on there's no way to get the boost target above about 16psi in the upper rpm range. So even if I had turbos big enough to run 1.27 bar all the way to redline I would not be able to take advantage of them. Supposedly the "race code" will fix that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Carl Morris Click here to enlarge
    I'm just talking about being able to set the boost target anywhere I want below 1.28 bar. I think it's worse at high elevation, but with the code I'm on there's no way to get the boost target above about 16psi in the upper rpm range. So even if I had turbos big enough to run 1.27 bar all the way to redline I would not be able to take advantage of them. Supposedly the "race code" will fix that.
    Yep, Carl's main issues are caused by elevation and the DME has some pretty complex code for altitude compensations. I'm working to find all of these and have a way to remove them. I wouldn't recommend this for the everyday owner as it will likely overspeed the turbos, but Carl is aware of the risks and I understand his frustration for not being able to see requests that match the tables he's changing. We have no intention to hold anything back from the end-user, even if it could cause problems... we just need to get through the logic so we can give an understanding of what changes will need to be made.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You guys just let that slide?
    Legal isn't my department, but I've made everyone aware of the project. If it is our IP, then it will be up to someone else to decide what to do. Whether it's my work or someone else's that's being taken, I don't understand why they'd post about it in pubic. Kinda like taking a video of shoplifting and posting it on youtube... doesn't seem like a good idea.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Would you care to elaborate on how it's soo limited? Using ATR i can dial in any boost/timing/AFR/VANOS curve i want to and i'm by no means a "pro." The reason people get protunes is exactly what @lulz_m3 said, we can do whatever we want to but there are things that professionals know through years of experience that we don't have.
    as far as i'm aware, it's just limited in how far you can push the timing/boost/afr/vanos

    unlike the ATP which .. well you could cause damage more easily as far as i'm aware lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    as far as i'm aware, it's just limited in how far you can push the timing/boost/afr/vanos

    unlike the ATP which .. well you could cause damage more easily as far as i'm aware lol
    There are no differences between the content in ATR and ATP.
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    Not a fan of links for explanation but that's how you operate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    There are no differences between the content in ATR and ATP.
    Thanks for the info!!

    There is some misinformation in the forums about this as if ATR would not offer the needed functionality for tuning.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    Legal isn't my department, but I've made everyone aware of the project. If it is our IP, then it will be up to someone else to decide what to do. Whether it's my work or someone else's that's being taken, I don't understand why they'd post about it in pubic. Kinda like taking a video of shoplifting and posting it on youtube... doesn't seem like a good idea.
    I think they don't believe there will be consequences.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    There are no differences between the content in ATR and ATP.
    oh, my bad

    what's the main differences then?

    just the ability to lock your maps, or are there other actual tuning advantages of any sort?

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