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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    An RB and Meth 335i beats a 458 Italia yet can't beat a stock F10 M5? Shiv's single barely beat a 458 so in theory an M5 is close to the single turbo 335i? Sorry... announced trap speeds dont add up here... IND got a stock M5 to go 120... everyone knows most RB and Meth 335s trap ~125 and Italia's trap close to 130 which is what shiv's car did... nothing adds up and I want an explanation.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm sorry didn't you just one post ago say the M5 would beat the Black Series in turns? Yet I just posted a comparison where the C Black Series MURDERS anything BMW has. It wasn't even close.
    Yes he did. His baseless statement was the very definition of a fanboy.

    Some people literally have no clue.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Yes he did. His baseless statement was the very definition of a fanboy.

    Some people literally have no clue.
    Agreed, I have loved BMW's for many years. So yes, in this case I have no problem with the term "fanboy". Still, the "race" that is being called an "anal raping" of an F10 M5 is more of a joke. So the whole idea gets a big "YAWN". It isn't even close in cost, the F10 M5 maxes out at $117k, the C63 Black? $150 base price and the guy spent more than $15k on mods on top of that. So yeah, it is about the equivalent of my 550 vs a Yaris.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    So yes, in this case I have no problem with the term "fanboy".
    That's fine but you were quite wrong on several major points...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    It isn't even close in cost, the F10 M5 maxes out at $117k, the C63 Black? $150 base price and the guy spent more than $15k on mods on top of that. So yeah, it is about the equivalent of my 550 vs a Yaris.
    Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.
    1) Mustangs can be modded to beat them in a straight line, but again, that bores the sh** out of me. Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns. Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.

    2) We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed. The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc. They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns.
    Sorry, wrong again.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.
    Once again, there is considerable skill in drag racing and in the engineering to get cars to these high power levels.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed
    Do you read the site?

    http://www.benzboost.com/content.php...-1-2-mile-race

    That car is cheaper than the M5 too, what's your argument now?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc.
    You do realize the Black Series is more about track performance than raw straightline right? The C63 Black Series isn't all that much faster if any than a P31 C63.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.
    The words hypercar is invented nonsense that just sounds awkward to me but regardless the SLS Black Series is quite simply the Black Series version of the AMG SLS.

    Sorry man, but you're way off about a whole lot of things and have made some large glaring errors so far.

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    The only place I know of where the C63 Black, Mustang, and M5 were all tested on the same track reveals I am not that far off:
    TopGear lap times:
    01:21.0 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series

    2013 BMW F10 M5 = 1:22.3


    01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG


    01:30.0 Ford Shelby GT500

    Seems the Mustang (and a SHelby at that) is not that great when turning, 8 secs slower than an F10 M5, 9 sloweer than the C63.
    Not that far off am I really?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    The only place I know of where the C63 Black, Mustang, and M5 were all tested on the same track reveals I am not that far off:
    TopGear lap times:
    01:21.0 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series

    2013 BMW F10 M5 = 1:22.3


    01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG


    01:30.0 Ford Shelby GT500

    Seems the Mustang (and a SHelby at that) is not that great when turning, 8 secs slower than an F10 M5, 9 sloweer than the C63.
    Not that far off am I really?
    And this has what to do with the Black Series you mentioned as not being able to hang with the M5?

    Also Check Boss 302 laptimes compared to the M's, you may learn something.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    LOL, yes really, I see zero skill in going fast straight. All you gotta do is hang on, wow, impressive.
    I do agree the F10 M5 is the most bloated M ever, yet despite this it is still faster straight or going through turns than the E60 M5. If an F10 M5 driver put $15k in mods on his car the race would be a LOT closer. Black edition cars are lightened and factory modded versions of regular AMG cars, not exactly apples to apples.
    Drag racing was started by Americans because American cars can't turn, they can ONLY go fast in a straight line, and the idea that John Force is a better driver than Ayrton Senna? Please, there is no comparing the skill sets.
    Very fitting you have a line about human stupidity in your sig with this post...

    First of all the CLK Black Series AND the C Black Series are heavier than the normal cars. That's what happens when you add lots of cooling for track duty - get your facts straight.

    Really ??? Americans can ONLY go fast in a straight line and don't know how to road race ?? Try telling that to Sam Posey, Roger Penske, Danny Ongais, Mario Andretti, Boris Said, Skip Barber, Bob Bondurant, Eddie Cheever, Mark Donahue, Phil Hill, Dan Gurney, Bobby Rahal, Graham Rahal, Bob Akins, Scott Speed, Danny Sullivan, Bill Auberlen, Joey Hand.....The list goes on but you wouldn't know that cause your an IDIOT.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That's fine but you were quite wrong on several major points...
    And continues to be - the base price on the C Black is not 150k as he suggested it's about 20k less IIRC.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.
    So all this talk about BMW not holding up to the competition... Why do you still stick with them, and why do you have a BMW car that once modded, still isn't among the fastest M3s? I haven't been here in a while, so maybe you finally gave up on your M3 project. Or maybe it is finally complete.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    1) Mustangs can be modded to beat them in a straight line, but again, that bores the sh** out of me. Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns. Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.

    2) We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed. The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc. They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.
    Dude are you $#@!ing retarded ?? A Mustang cannot be modded to go fast on a road course ???? Ever heard of the new Boss 302 ??? It's a factory road race Mustang so it doesn't even need to be modified.
    Black Series cars were not meant to compete against cars that cost more than double you moron. They are a direct competitor to BMW but BMW has no answer for them - end of story.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    And continues to be - the base price on the C Black is not 150k as he suggested it's about 20k less IIRC.
    Black C63 lists for $117k Euros, or if you're literate - that's about $150k. So, nope, wasn't wrong there. Thanks for playing. And you listed American DRIVERS when I clearly stated American cars were only good in a straight line, which is beginning to change with the Caddy CTS-V and others.

    Nurburgring time:
    8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series - 510Hp
    8:13 BMW M5 E60 - 507HP
    7:55 BMW M5 F10 - 560HP

    Ford won't release Nurburgring lap times for the Boss 302 or the GT500.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Dude are you $#@!ing retarded ?? A Mustang cannot be modded to go fast on a road course ???? Ever heard of the new Boss 302 ??? It's a factory road race Mustang so it doesn't even need to be modified.
    Black Series cars were not meant to compete against cars that cost more than double you moron. They are a direct competitor to BMW but BMW has no answer for them - end of story.

    LMAO, you are the retarded one: If the one you're supposedly competing against (as YOU claim Black series competes with BMW) and your "competitor" doesn't even make a rival, is that really competition? You stated they "have no answer", but they haven't bothered to make a competitor. Let's see who wins next yeaers Super Bowl if only one team shows up, shall we?

    Let's see how the Boss 302 does against DTM cars, shall we?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Really ??? Americans can ONLY go fast in a straight line and don't know how to road race ?? Try telling that to Sam Posey, Roger Penske, Danny Ongais, Mario Andretti, Boris Said, Skip Barber, Bob Bondurant, Eddie Cheever, Mark Donahue, Phil Hill, Dan Gurney, Bobby Rahal, Graham Rahal, Bob Akins, Scott Speed, Danny Sullivan, Bill Auberlen, Joey Hand.....The list goes on but you wouldn't know that cause your an IDIOT.

    And yet, IDIOT, nearly all of the drivers listed spent time in Europe honing their skills in European cars. LMAO
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    Black C63 lists for $117k Euros, or if you're literate - that's about $150k. So, nope, wasn't wrong there. Thanks for playing. And you listed American DRIVERS when I clearly stated American cars were only good in a straight line, which is beginning to change with the Caddy CTS-V and others.

    Nurburgring time:
    8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series - 510Hp
    8:13 BMW M5 E60 - 507HP
    7:55 BMW M5 F10 - 560HP

    Ford won't release Nurburgring lap times for the Boss 302 or the GT500.
    Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
    For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.



    Get lost you $#@!ing moron.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
    For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_CS...layer_embedded

    Get lost you $#@!ing moron.

    So how much is a 2013 BS C63? Or even a 2012?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
    For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.

    et lost you $#@!ing moron.
    Again, for a moron, at least I am literate enough to read location info - I am in SoCal myself dumbass. Need me to lend you the "hooked on phonics" my kids are done with?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    And yet, IDIOT, nearly all of the drivers listed spent time in Europe honing their skills in European cars. LMAO
    So someone went to Europe to drive and that makes them what, no longer American ??

    Dude you are looking really bad right now - you need to stop making overly generalized statements because each time you do you are proven wrong - just like that boss 302 video I just posted.
    And now you want to compare a street car boss 302 to a RACE ONLY DTM CAR ??? How old are you ?? So, by that logic, lets see how well a DTM car does against an Indy car....what a retard!!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    Again, for a moron, at least I am literate enough to read location info - I am in SoCal myself dumbass. Need me to lend you the "hooked on phonics" my kids are done with?
    SO THE WHY DID YOU LIST THE PRICE OF THE C BLACK SERIES IN EUROS???????????

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    Look you pathetic little pimple on a diseased ho's ass. I never said they weren't Americans, I said they went to Europe to hone their skills. Remember: Reading is fundamental
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    SO THE WHY DID YOU LIST THE PRICE OF THE C BLACK SERIES IN EUROS???????????

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    Hmm, maybe it's because the list price of the Black series is not available on MBUSA.com? First list price I found was in Euros and, unlike to $#@! for brains you are, I did the conversion.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
    Look you pathetic little pimple on a diseased ho's ass. I never said they weren't Americans, I said they went to Europe to hone their skills. Remember: Reading is fundamental
    SO WHAT???? What does going to Europe have to do with anything here ??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    SO WHAT???? What does going to Europe have to do with anything here ??
    You tell me douche, you listed American DRIVERS when I mentioned American CARS, see the difference? DERP
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