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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    I think you are capable of thinking for yourself. If everything for you is decided by videos, I'm not sure what to say.

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    LOL lostmarine seems to assume alot. So how about those runs that were supposed to happen ?

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    FIND ME A KB COBRA TO RUN!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
    FIND ME A KB COBRA TO RUN!
    thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

    im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

    im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it
    How is ricer math saying a KB cobra and a SC DCT M3 is a good run? Considering there are lower power KB's and higher power KB's the one in this video here would be a good run for an M3 that was trapping 130 or 131 on the old intake design that was robbing power. That is hardly ricer math.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

    im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it
    60-130MPH, 3 Supercharged E9X M3's are faster than a KB 750whp GT500, I'd say that's more than enough to say it would be close, 1/4 ET's are mostly do to the launch, cleary the GT500 will demoralize a FI E9x in that department, lol, but that soon will change.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It is proven otherwise, sub 600 whp blown M3's are trapping 130-131. 700+ whp KB Cobras are trapping ~134. KB cobras range from low 600's to 8xx (9xx as well?). You should be able to figure this out. If stock internal SC M3's on pump gas are a good run, what will built motor SC m3's be? Here is a hint, they won't be slower.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How is ricer math saying a KB cobra and a SC DCT M3 is a good run? Considering there are lower power KB's and higher power KB's the one this video here would be a good run for an M3 that was trapping 130 or 131 on the old intake design that was robbing power. That is hardly ricer math.
    saying a good run is one thing. ASSUMING something, unproven, based on #'s from previous and different platforms, is what, i believe, that the rest of the intrewebz autoracing community, calls ricer math Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    60-130MPH, 3 Supercharged E9X M3's are faster than a KB 750whp GT500, I'd say that's more than enough to say it would be close, 1/4 ET's are mostly do to the launch, cleary the GT500 will demoralize a FI E9x in that department, lol, but that soon will change.

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    those specific #'s, speak well for your cause, but what are the specs on that ONE KB cobra, do we know him, what his car actually has, weight fuel etc. and is ONE car representative for the entire community, or is that a GREAT run for that individual car, or a HORRIBLE run for that individual car..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    saying a good run is one thing. ASSUMING something, unproven, based on #'s from previous and different platforms, is what, i believe, that the rest of the intrewebz autoracing community, calls ricer math Click here to enlarge
    Check the post above yours to see that ricer math isn't at work here, real numbers are.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Check the post above yours to see that ricer math isn't at work here, real numbers are.
    ditto

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    those specific #'s, speak well for your cause, but what are the specs on that ONE KB cobra, do we know him, what his car actually has, weight fuel etc. and is ONE car representative for the entire community, or is that a GREAT run for that individual car, or a HORRIBLE run for that individual car..
    My cause? Lmao, no cause Bro, just using performance information that is the standard most enthusiasts use if you want to compare cars on paper. I don't know the owner personally but a friend of mine does, he was there the day the car put down 750whp on the dyno, the car has a "mammoth" KB charger, cams as well.

    I don't know for a fact who's faster but Vbox #'s are a good start, and from what I've seen pretty accurate, to give you an idea of how much HP those heavy GT500's need to move, here's a vid of a 620-640whp KB Gt500 against a bolt on 500whp C6 Z06.



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    60-130 MPH (3 shifts) 10.71s
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    11.45 @ 131.6 MPH
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    i dont see a FI s65 in those vids, so A beats B, B beats C, D beats A, and C beats D, does than mean C beats all? no..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    i dont see a FI s65 in those vids, so A beats B, B beats C, D beats A, and C beats D, does than mean C beats all? no..
    Sigh... people were bringing up the FI S65 as a comparison. Obviously it has not happened on video so we have to go by the data we have to base our conclusions on.

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    i concur, its just so fun to get you guys rialed up about it...

    so in other owrds, even an ess stg2 can beat that kb cobra in the DL vids.. c6 has 500hp, ess has 500 hp.. how do they match up? how would gintans stg2+ match to the vette, considering high 5,low 600hp.

    for that matter, how would i do vs that particular kb cobra, and vette? Click here to enlarge

    as for the OP, lets keep a few things straight though..gintani stg2+ better runs, yes, vids i want to see yes. am i convinced of a different outcome, no

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    so in other owrds, even an ess stg2 can beat that kb cobra in the DL vids.. c6 has 500hp, ess has 500 hp.. how do they match up? how would gintans stg2+ match to the vette, considering high 5,low 600hp.
    The C6 is really efficient for its hp level, low weight, good power through the rev range. It does not need as much power as an M3 or Cobra for that matter.

    You guys just don't get how fast some of these M3's are. ESS is not the best example of a FI M3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The C6 is really efficient for its hp level, low weight, good power through the rev range. It does not need as much power as an M3 or Cobra for that matter.

    You guys just don't get how fast some of these M3's are. ESS is not the best example of a FI M3.
    agreed, bringing me back full circle to the fact that it takes more than #'s to be sure of the outcome. 1 select car, out of literally hundreds (kb cobra) of combinations, and variations in #'s of same combinations, should not be used as the benchmark for all. which is off topic,

    because the kb cobra @ hand, would def be better matched up against a real performing S/C M3 and not the lowest level performing combination Click here to enlarge

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    The funny part is the M3 owner has no clue what his car even makes on the dyno he's going based of random other dyno's and hoping for the best.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    agreed, bringing me back full circle to the fact that it takes more than #'s to be sure of the outcome. 1 select car, out of literally hundreds (kb cobra) of combinations, and variations in #'s of same combinations, should not be used as the benchmark for all. which is off topic,

    because the kb cobra @ hand, would def be better matched up against a real performing S/C M3 and not the lowest level performing combination Click here to enlarge
    I think the point of the matter was to show that certain examples of KB cobras are a good race with certain examples of SC M3's. Clearly, that is the case. Some of the people on n54tech are poorly informed Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    The funny part is the M3 owner has no clue what his car even makes on the dyno he's going based of random other dyno's and hoping for the best.
    That is true, I don't know why he doesn't get a dyno and instead just says how fast it is all the time based on his own impressions.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That is true, I don't know why he doesn't get a dyno and instead just says how fast it is all the time based on his own impressions.
    couldnt we get a good estimate if he had some trap speed's or 60-130 times as well though... if only there were formulas and calculations and a database to compare those things too... Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    couldnt we get a good estimate if he had some trap speed's or 60-130 times as well though... if only there were formulas and calculations and a database to compare those things too... Click here to enlarge
    Look, you can make some estimates with that car. We have seen that a KB cobra needs 700+ whp to get 130+ mph trap speeds.

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    talking about the ess M though

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    talking about the ess M though
    The ESS M3 is overmatched vs. the KB Cobra, in all forms.

    Still a strong M3, we will see how you do Click here to enlarge

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    i know i know. i was referring to does that ess M have any trap speeds or 60-130 vbox runs to attempt to extrapulate rwhp?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    i know i know. i was referring to does that ess M have any trap speeds or 60-130 vbox runs to attempt to extrapulate rwhp?
    He is going to be in the low 500 whp range.

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    Hey dude... Can you share the videos of these GT500s losing to SC M3s? I don't even make 750 at the wheels and you saw what happened to that ESS car. Granted its 6 speed and may not have meth and the most boost. But from the driver's seat, it would have taken quite a bit more than a few psi, fast shifts to walk the Shelby. The torque differential is pretty huge and it plays a big part in these types of rolling runs. And my car is mild. I have a crappy 5 dollar flowmaster exhaust, and xpipe without headers and pump gas with normal boost levels. With either race fuel, or methanol with a good exhaust and smaller pulley, like the equivalent to your M3's setup it the car will drap in the 140s.


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