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    ESS 625 DCT E92 M3 VS VF620 6MT E92 M3

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    I believe the camera car belongs to a forum member. As this forum member is against posting video's of cars that have/had a bad start, I took the liberty of editing it to showcase just the good run:

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    STOCK 245 REAR TIRES
    BENT 295 REAR TIRES+TOOLS IN TRUNK




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    Looks to me the VF did better off with the negatives against him.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by heavytiresmoke Click here to enlarge
    Looks to me the VF did better off with the negatives against him.
    considering DCT is supposedly worth "10mph", he was on small rear tires, AND had his extra wheels/tires and tools in the trunk, yea. I think he did rather well

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    These VF kits seem to haul ass...
    We stay swingin...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    These VF kits seem to haul ass...

    would love to see this in a DCT Vs DCT matchup.. and no weight additions.. Just to keep everything fair and equal

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    would love to see this in a DCT Vs DCT matchup.. and no weight additions.. Just to keep everything fair and equal
    Under those circumstances the VF car walks is my guess...
    We stay swingin...
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    Driver mod, solid sit of tires & removing that excess weight and it's game over for the ESS car
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    original video description says he had a set of 295's but bent a rim earlier in the day, so he had to put stock tires back on, hence the tires and tools

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    Supercharged E92 M3 showdown - ESS VT2-625 DCT M3 versus VF-Engineering VF620 6-speed manual

    Here is a race video between two supercharged E9X M3's running competing kits. One is a DCT (dual clutch transmission) M3 and that is the camera car with the ESS VT2-625 kit. The manual M3 has the VF-Engineering VF620 supercharger kit. This is a very evenly matched race as to be expected from two kits offering very similar performance. The manual has a slight jump and the DCT appears to reel it in somewhat although the race simply ends up basically a draw.

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    A very nice run but it would be great to see more than one race between these two. Regardless, it goes to show kits on the stock internals will basically end up in the same spot with fuel, boost, timing, etc., being the main differences especially among similar Vortech based superchargers. Despite what certain companies may say, the kits are very close to one another.

    Camera car with DCT and ESS VT2-625 kit has a 91/100 mix. The VF car is also said to be a 91/100 mix.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by heavytiresmoke Click here to enlarge
    Looks to me the VF did better off with the negatives against him.
    I would agree.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    considering DCT is supposedly worth "10mph", he was on small rear tires, AND had his extra wheels/tires and tools in the trunk, yea. I think he did rather well
    It isn't worth 10 mph from a roll versus a manual. It's never worth 10 mph.

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    Looks like the white car was actually faster, but he missed a shift and started a gear higher. (just what it looked like to me)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Looks like the white car was actually faster, but he missed a shift and started a gear higher. (just what it looked like to me)
    the Manual car is also carrying an extra 200 or so pounds. looks like it was shifted decently though. Like ive always said, DCT's only REAL advantage is consistancy. so what you are seeing is the REALWORLD result of .1-.2 seconds and maybe 1-2 mph difference(because of that .1-.2 TOTAL shift time) between transmissions

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    Who needs DCT when you can shift as quick as that guy! Way to go 6MT driver!

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    The outcome I would expect when the same blower is used on both kits.

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    I think the shift time for DCT is 0ms - it's single clutch (SMG) that has a delay/there is a traction loss. I can dig up the quote from the Getrag engineer - it's on the board somewhere; I was curious, so I emailed him. There is no tractive loss between shifts, in other words no delay. On a manual car, it has to be greater than 0ms, it just depends on the driver.

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    Regardless, definitely looks like VF kit has a more accurate power rating considering it kept up with a "faster" car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    The outcome I would expect when the same blower is used on both kits.
    Exactly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    I think the shift time for DCT is 0ms - it's single clutch (SMG) that has a delay/there is a traction loss. I can dig up the quote from the Getrag engineer - it's on the board somewhere; I was curious, so I emailed him. There is no tractive loss between shifts, in other words no delay. On a manual car, it has to be greater than 0ms, it just depends on the driver.
    DCT is not 0 but it is almost instant.

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    It comes down to manifold design,boost and tune. I would guess the intercooler systems are almost identical.


    7 speed vs 6

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    It comes down to manifold design,boost and tune. I would guess the intercooler systems are almost identical.
    Exactly, these kits are incredibly similar.

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    This looks like two cars with the same power and different gearing.

    White M3 looks like he hit the rev limiter right before the finish, which gave the Blue M3 the win.

    If both cars were at the same weight and had a better start, it would be a battle of gearing!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    This looks like two cars with the same power and different gearing.

    White M3 looks like he hit the rev limiter right before the finish, which gave the Blue M3 the win.

    If both cars were at the same weight and had a better start, it would be a battle of gearing!
    NOOOO!! Not possible!! nothing is close, something MUST BE WRONG!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    NOOOO!! Not possible!! nothing is close, something MUST BE WRONG!!
    But, it'll only take one mistake on the 6MT's part and the DCT will eat him alive :p
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    Nice race.

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