Close

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 77
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25


    2 out of 2 members liked this post. Yes Reputation No

    GT28 GTI vs 135i

    Well while the EVO is still in the shop I played camera man today. Today was a match between a regular on here the GT28 GTI Stage 4 APR car with built motor and race head vs a very quick 135i JB4 G4 car with FMIC only. There were 4 runs. The other 3 the GTI was suffering from some kind of boost undershoot where he was only hitting 22-22psi. This is the only clean race where the GTI hit 30 psi. The 135i is on pump gas and hitting 14psi on map 5. Results are as expected from a ~380 HP GTI vs a probably ~340 HP 135i. Enjoy

    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No

    APR Stage IV GT28 turbo upgraded GTI takes on and walks away from a JB4 tuned BMW135i

    Here is a very impressive GTI we have seen before over on VWBoost racing a GermanBoost Network member (bigdnno98) with a tuned Mistsubishi Evo. The GTI is certainly impressive and features a GT28 turbo upgrade, built motor, race head, and 30 psi of boost. The 135i gets walked fairly easily but in its defense it is running a BMW JB4 tune on pump gas (Map 5) with the only other supplemental modification being a front mount intercooler.

    Click here to enlarge

    135i owners with a tune definitely should not underestimate tuned VW Golf's although this particular one is built to a fairly high level. Would be great to see a rematch with the 135i running race gas/E85 and downpipes.


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25



    Yes Reputation No
    I'm building the 1er personally so stay tuned Click here to enlarge
    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Jerzee
    Posts
    2,306
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Yes Reputation No
    Nice pull indeed... 30psi is a ton of boost
    We stay swingin...
    Click here to enlarge

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    504
    Rep Points
    825.9
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9


    Yes Reputation No
    Next time I'd like to see equal people in both cars. I know the GTI would still win, but it wouldn't pull that much like it did in the video.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25



    Yes Reputation No
    They did 4 runs. I rode in each car for 2 runs. The GTI wasn't hitting boost target the other 3 runs though so I didn't post them. I agree though, There was a noticable difference when I switched cars.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
    Next time I'd like to see equal people in both cars. I know the GTI would still win, but it wouldn't pull that much like it did in the video.
    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    972
    Rep Points
    1,406.3
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Yes Reputation No
    I still would love to see this car with a gt30 swap, shouldn't have an issue hitting 500whp.

    also, wonder if there are any k04 TSI GTIs in your area, that would be a nice race to see, should almost be dead even.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25



    Yes Reputation No
    We're trying to find his a GT3071r right now. We also have a meth kit to install on the car. It'll be really damn fast very soon. I just have to make sure my EVO stays faster LOL.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
    I still would love to see this car with a gt30 swap, shouldn't have an issue hitting 500whp.

    also, wonder if there are any k04 TSI GTIs in your area, that would be a nice race to see, should almost be dead even.
    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    454
    Rep Points
    559.9
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    6


    1 out of 1 members liked this post. Yes Reputation No
    My last car was a 2009 GTI with a K04, and I ran a best time of 13.42@108 mph. Nevermind the time, since traction on a FWD car is a joke -but I did manage 2.0 60 foots on cheap street tires. Anyway, my 335i with just a tune ran similar times, but I was trapping 112-114 mph. The n54 is just a beast! If only APR got of their ass and made a turbo for us. Their stuff is so nice it could pass for factory. I would move back to VW only if someone figures out a way to fully disable the ASR/TSC/ whatever they call it.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    972
    Rep Points
    1,406.3
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ryan Mills Click here to enlarge
    My last car was a 2009 GTI with a K04, and I ran a best time of 13.42@108 mph. Nevermind the time, since traction on a FWD car is a joke -but I did manage 2.0 60 foots on cheap street tires. Anyway, my 335i with just a tune ran similar times, but I was trapping 112-114 mph. The n54 is just a beast! If only APR got of their ass and made a turbo for us. Their stuff is so nice it could pass for factory. I would move back to VW only if someone figures out a way to fully disable the ASR/TSC/ whatever they call it.

    Well good news my friend: someone figured out how to make an adjustment in VAGCOM to fully disable the ESC/traction control in *2012* GTI and Golf R using the ASR button.

    I do agree with you, these cars take a LOT of work to be able to be decent in the 1/4, suspension, full mounts and some amazing rubber. AWE tuning turned a 11.87@120.3 on the k04 with 100oct (powered by GIAC), so the power/weight ratio is there, just the FWD aspect kills these cars.


    As for APR in the BMW world, well $#@!, think AR or HPF is expensive? I can only imagine how badly the "bmw tax" would be for you guys. They make great products and the customer service is good, but their prices are ridiculous.

    I'd gladly trade APR for BMS Click here to enlarge

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
    Well good news my friend: someone figured out how to make an adjustment in VAGCOM to fully disable the ESC/traction control in *2012* GTI and Golf R using the ASR button.

    I do agree with you, these cars take a LOT of work to be able to be decent in the 1/4, suspension, full mounts and some amazing rubber. AWE tuning turned a 11.87@120.3 on the k04 with 100oct (powered by GIAC), so the power/weight ratio is there, just the FWD aspect kills these cars.


    As for APR in the BMW world, well $#@!, think AR or HPF is expensive? I can only imagine how badly the "bmw tax" would be for you guys. They make great products and the customer service is good, but their prices are ridiculous.

    I'd gladly trade APR for BMS Click here to enlarge
    Didn't they already run 10's with a Golf R?

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    972
    Rep Points
    1,406.3
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Didn't they already run 10's with a Golf R?
    I believe so, with about the same mods as this GTI has, but the R of course has AWD.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    919
    Rep Points
    780.4
    Mentioned
    42 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    8


    Yes Reputation No
    Old news. VW/AUDI turbo engines have ALWAYS made good power. Back in the early 2000's the 1.8T engines were pushing 450 whp on stock internals. A twin turbo VR6 24V engines are routinely pushed to 650 whp.

    The APR products are so polished out its ridiculous. VWNA even commissions them to mod and tune cars for car shows. The driveability of APR and GIAC tuned cars is second to none.

    N54 tuning scene is just BARELY exiting its infancy stage and entering into early childhood. We won't see massive horsepower gains till we start messing with the cams, figure out the fueling system and engine management. Slapping a big boy turbo is the easiest part. We are far from achieving the same level of vision and precision in the N54 tuning scene.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Roanoke VA
    Posts
    1,632
    Rep Points
    2,248.3
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    23


    Yes Reputation No
    @bigdnno98
    How close are you to Nashville? i may be heading down to Nashville in a couple months and i would like to see if i could get in on some of this action Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge
    MOTIV750, MOTIV P-1000 PI, MOTIV/FUEL-IT! low pressure fuel system, AEM EMS/COBB AP, Aquamist HFS-3, ETS FMIC, SPEC stage 3+ clutch/SS flywheel, BC Racing coilovers and VMR wheels wrapped in Hankook RS3s.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    3,310
    Rep Points
    1,439.4
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    Old news. VW/AUDI turbo engines have ALWAYS made good power. Back in the early 2000's the 1.8T engines were pushing 450 whp on stock internals. A twin turbo VR6 24V engines are routinely pushed to 650 whp.

    The APR products are so polished out its ridiculous. VWNA even commissions them to mod and tune cars for car shows. The driveability of APR and GIAC tuned cars is second to none.

    N54 tuning scene is just BARELY exiting its infancy stage and entering into early childhood. We won't see massive horsepower gains till we start messing with the cams, figure out the fueling system and engine management. Slapping a big boy turbo is the easiest part. We are far from achieving the same level of vision and precision in the N54 tuning scene.
    Gti's (and vr6 powered cars) have had a LOT longer to get stuff built for them, and their market is huggggeee with a low price point..I give the n54 6-12 months to 600whp+ being pretty easy and reliable+smooth with proefi stepping up. Finally a true standalone to manage it all.

    even the jb4 should be able to handle big turbos, as long as they can overcome fuelling.. Probably not as smoothky though, and same deal for vishnu/fftec, but we all know how shady all that is..

    it's a ways off the 1000+ of the 2jz, but even they weren't seeing easy biig power until well into the 2000's (same with the rb crowd), from motors from 1990~.. With the time the n54 has been around, it's doing alright lol

    and too many companies overlook the n54 for project cars, and swap s65's or s85/s/n63 or older s motors etc... When the n54 is growing so well

    it may not be as 'amazingly awesome', but it should be considered as such..

    s65/s85 swap may draw easy crowds, but a ridiculous power n54 would draw a large enough crowd...

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    The APR products are so polished out its ridiculous. VWNA even commissions them to mod and tune cars for car shows. The driveability of APR and GIAC tuned cars is second to none.
    Agreed. They are the best in this regard, top notch.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    Gti's (and vr6 powered cars) have had a LOT longer to get stuff built for them, and their market is huggggeee with a low price point..I give the n54 6-12 months to 600whp+ being pretty easy and reliable+smooth with proefi stepping up. Finally a true standalone to manage it all.
    There really isn't much that matches the big turbo VR6 cars. USP is trapping 160 in their VR6 turbo S4.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    307
    Rep Points
    310.6
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    4


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    There really isn't much that matches the big turbo VR6 cars. USP is trapping 160 in their VR6 turbo S4.
    the car sounds relatively quiet too, I heard it go down the track at FIXXFEST, substantially quieter than the V8 muscle cars that only run 110mph at my track Click here to enlarge
    Loe P.
    B8.5 Audi S5 3.0"T" - GIAC stage II ECU / GIAC DSG TCU / AWE-tuning Pulley / AFe filter / 034 TBB / mod airbox / X-pipe
    - 09' E90 M3 7-DCT Interlagos Blue / Novillo Silver - gone Click here to enlarge
    [K&N filter|MS pullies|test pipes|Evolve Stg II tune/Servotronic/GTS-DCT Tune|Euro MDM]


  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
    the car sounds relatively quiet too, I heard it go down the track at FIXXFEST, substantially quieter than the V8 muscle cars that only run 110mph at my track Click here to enlarge
    I want to build one. With a bigger turbo... Click here to enlarge

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    3,310
    Rep Points
    1,439.4
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    There really isn't much that matches the big turbo VR6 cars. USP is trapping 160 in their VR6 turbo S4.
    Really? 160? Deep 9's.. Ed: just googled a vid, awwwwgh, 800+hp and 9.6 wow.. First turbo vr6 i've seen, before i only ever saw sc ones, most of which were half developed (but still powerful) Click here to enlarge.. I had no idea they existed at that power level!

    arguably not an s4 with a vr6 in it though, just looks like one..
    Ed: OH its a 12v vr6 not a 24v.. Well fair enough, way older then

    plus, canmt foret that exhast/engine note.. Augh!.. Before i got the bmw, i nearly got a mk5 r32, but it was $4k out of my price Click here to enlarge.. Months later i realize the 3.2 quattro a3 at $10k cheaper is the same.damn.car.. But even nicer and less mileage.. r -_-
    Last edited by Flinchy; 01-05-2013 at 09:55 AM.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    @bigdnno98
    How close are you to Nashville? i may be heading down to Nashville in a couple months and i would like to see if i could get in on some of this action Click here to enlarge
    45 min from Nashville and some of our crew lives in Nashville. Def hit me up when you have dates we'll set up a meet or something.
    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


  22. #22
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    Really? 160? Deep 9's..
    Sometimes I feel like nobody actually reads the site Click here to enlarge

    http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...n-the-1-4-mile

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,462
    Rep Points
    32,150.6
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    arguably not an s4 with a vr6 in it though, just looks like one..
    Ed: OH its a 12v vr6 not a 24v.. Well fair enough, way older then
    Think about a 24v with more displacement and a bigger turbo.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    748
    Rep Points
    1,054.4
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    11


    Yes Reputation No
    The vw would get smoked if the 135 had meth, dps and Iso

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    3,903
    Rep Points
    2,483.6
    Mentioned
    44 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    25



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
    The vw would get smoked if the 135 had meth, dps and Iso
    I'm not sure but we'll see soon.
    2011 335is DCT, JB4 + MHD BEF, stage 2 LPFP, e50 + 50/50 meth, FBO, MT ET Streets when needed


Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •