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    Dynos and Datalogs

    Some info on the car. 2011 335is manual with about 3,000 – 4,000 miles over the period of getting hardware and the different tunes. I went with a Helix FMIC, AR dps, BMS DCI and a used COBB.

    As I noted in this thread, I had a baseline dyno completed as 100% stock on 12/17/12.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...463#post365463

    On 1/3/13 returned to the same dyno with the above mods to test out the stage 2+ OTS 93 octane, PTF stage 2+ 93 octane, OTS E30, and PTF E30 maps. Unfortunately, with the holidays, we weren’t able to 100% complete (On second revision) the 93 octane map and nothing on the E30 maps. That being said, here are the results for at least the PTF 93 maps and at least OTS e30.

    I combined the runs so you could see just todays and all the different maps.
    001 – Stock car with stage 1
    003 – Stock car with stock tune
    006 – Stage 2 car with Stage 2 PTF
    008 – Stage 2 car with Stage 2 OTS
    010 – Stage 2 car with stock tune
    011 – Stage 2 car with E30 OTS

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    Tony @ speedinc for dyno time

    @eric@helix for another amazing FMIC that does an awesome job of keeping temps down. On stage one stock fmic, saw a 70 degree spike in temp during the pull on intake temps. For all the pulls today on the helix, saw only 10 – 15 degree increases in temp from start to end of pull. More evidence that a solid FMIC is a huge benefit for this car.

    @Terry@BMS for the cheap AR Dps and DCI, fast and easy to work with as usual.

    @Rob@Cobb for dealing with all my questions and follow ups

    And Jake and @dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks for the fast turnaround time on my maps before the holidays hit.
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    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
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    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    STD for those interested
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    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    Datalogs of each of the pulls with general information. As you can see, the timing was off again while on the dyno.

    E30
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    Stage 2 PTF
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    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    Some comparision of the difference maps for boost, timing and AFR.
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    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    I have all the logs if anyone wants more info or has questions. I am out for a couple hours.
    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    414/464? Great numbers but I have a hard time buying them... I hear about these numbers all the time but have never seen them on a dyno. A protuned 335i FBO with 50/50 E85 made like 380 on a dyno local to me.
    2007 335i (100% stock with mods)

    N54 is not a German 2JZ lol

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    These are from a dyno. Not sure how you have a hard time buying them. I don't find it hard to believe pro tuned cars are putting up low 400s on e85


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    414/464? Great numbers but I have a hard time buying them... I hear about these numbers all the time but have never seen them on a dyno. A protuned 335i FBO with 50/50 E85 made like 380 on a dyno local to me.
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    Protuned on E85 he should be in the 430whp/490+wtq range. I was about to jump on the baselines for the stock tune numbers and cry foul that the dyno is optimistic, then I remembered that you have a 335is, lol. Nice numbers, right in line with what I'd expect to see given the mods/conditions.
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    The gain from adding E30 in comparison to the pro tune is HUGE .
    Why such a big difference?
    The E30 tune is just OTS right?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    These are from a dyno. Not sure how you have a hard time buying them. I don't find it hard to believe pro tuned cars are putting up low 400s on e85
    Not saying it's not possible just a little bit hard to believe, the protuned cars that I have seen dyno in my area never made even close to that much power.
    2007 335i (100% stock with mods)

    N54 is not a German 2JZ lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    Not saying it's not possible just a little bit hard to believe, the protuned cars that I have seen dyno in my area never made even close to that much power.
    I think it's very believable on a DynoJet because I made 380hp/420tq on a Mustang dyno down here in Texas while it was still hot with 110+ IATs on a 1/2 finished E30 map before COBB came out with their OTS E30 map.

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    I feel good with the numbers. Temps were 65 on the garage so intake temps rarely went over 110 during a pull.
    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    i made 365hp-387tq with just a jb4 and intake lol.. 412hp and idk what tq at 13psi with my rbs back in the day... these #'s are legit
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    I am pretty sure that I will have a near identical setup soon and will try to replicate these numbers


    stock fuel pump btw???
    2007 335i (100% stock with mods)

    N54 is not a German 2JZ lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    I am pretty sure that I will have a near identical setup soon and will try to replicate these numbers


    stock fuel pump btw???
    Are you leaving Vishnu?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    I am pretty sure that I will have a near identical setup soon and will try to replicate these numbers


    stock fuel pump btw???
    Unless you can keep your IAT's down during the pulls you'll be losing some power due to IAT timing corrections. Stock DME starts pulling timing just after 100*. This is why flash tunes have an advantage when running E85, that and the ability to advance timing past the stock timing curve.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Are you leaving Vishnu?
    Entirely possible...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Unless you can keep your IAT's down during the pulls you'll be losing some power due to IAT timing corrections. Stock DME starts pulling timing just after 100*. This is why flash tunes have an advantage when running E85, that and the ability to advance timing past the stock timing curve.
    See above.
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    N54 is not a German 2JZ lol

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    Good numbers on the ots e30 map. I always trap 118-119mph in the 1/4 mile with similar mods (I lack dci). Was this e30 map v402 or V403?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
    The gain from adding E30 in comparison to the pro tune is HUGE .
    Why such a big difference?
    The E30 tune is just OTS right?
    With e30 you can run a lot more timing and less boost taper than you can even dream of with just 93, protune or not. The fact that it's only a 20whp delta is a testament to how good the pro tune is. Let PTF get his e30 protune done and it'll be a nice jump over the OTS maps.
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    Great preliminary numbers @mithiral67

    As your goals were more to lean on the safety side of things when tuning there's some more power locked up in the pump gas map any time you'd like us to push more out of it, and plenty more with a custom E85 blend map due to added octane and reduced EGTs like some others have mentioned
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    Not saying it's not possible just a little bit hard to believe, the protuned cars that I have seen dyno in my area never made even close to that much power.
    I am not surprised. I am seeing 430whp through virtual dyno with e50, g5, fmic, and dci for a long time now. Its nothing new at this point.

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    The first graph in the second post is a duplicate, here todays runs in SAE
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    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
    The gain from adding E30 in comparison to the pro tune is HUGE .
    Why such a big difference?
    The E30 tune is just OTS right?
    Sorry for the delays, was out to dinner.

    Yes, it was the OTS running 2 gallons of E85 (was actually only 80% when I tested it) and 5 gallons of shell 93. The power bump comes mainly the timing. You can actually see it has less boost than the PTF stage 2. The AFR was inline with OTS stage 2 map, while the PTF ran lower.
    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    stock fuel pump btw???
    Yes, stock fueling on this car. It only has 4k miles, so it should have pretty healthy components.
    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
    Was this e30 map v402 or V403?
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    2015 - Cayman GTS - Stock
    2011 - 335is e92 - Cobb PTF E40/Rob Beck/AR/Helix (458 rwtq and 479 rwhp) - Retired
    2007 - 911 Turbo - EP1/AMS (617 awtq and 500 awhp) - Retired
    2008 - 335i e92 - Cobb/AR/Helix/OSS (384 rwtq and 356 rwhp) - Retired
    2003 and 2005 330i/ci zhp - Stock - Retired

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