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    How is Obama helping the middle class?

    I, as well as many would like to know. I know he is going to $#@! the industry that I work in (orthopedic)...according to Obama...the auto industry is booming....is that true? I know Medtronic...my employeer...has been moving $#@! to Puerto Rico and has just bought a place in china. I know it doesn't .matter to a lot of you rich dudes but to peopletime me and my wife...I just don't want our hard work to go to waste because we are not poor. If Obama gets his way.....we will soon be(poor)

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    He's helping by eliminating it completely so therefore it's never an issue ever again.

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    Yay, death to turbo capitalism! Good news from the west!
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    Exactly, Communism.
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    Wow...being drunk and posting from your phone doesnt mix....lol sorry.
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    Turbine industry will suffer, his 55 billion dollar defense budget cut will force our company to either lay people off or move them around to places they dont want to work. A lot of the defense money goes into R&D, and that is the first industry to go when defense gets a budget cut, that is going to kill a lot of jobs for me and my friends.
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    The middle class has been hurt by globalization, starting a long time ago. This country through policy put the middle class in competition with workers all over the world and the middle class has paid the price. Your management and most other manglements with a manufacturing component have moved production overseas to protect or increase profits.

    Wait till policy allows doctors, lawyers, engineers and other high income earners to compete with their overseas competitors, and then the high income earners will be hurt too. Oh wait.... they have lobbyists...that will never happen?

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    And the slide continues. All very good for all the blue collar workers who have lost 5% in their pensions this week because of obamo.
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    i learned today, that O really is helping the middle class.. if you are inclined to cheat the system.. somehow all the filthy people around me, are raking in the dough through various "legal" chanels.. oh what a world..

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    Working within the system and 'cheating' the system are two very different concepts.
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    5% is a lot to give up, depending on how much you have saved. Guess I will have to find other places to put my retirement funds so that they stay away from lazy bums hands.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
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    The middle class has been hurt by globalization, starting a long time ago. This country through policy put the middle class in competition with workers all over the world and the middle class has paid the price. Your management and most other manglements with a manufacturing component have moved production overseas to protect or increase profits.

    Wait till policy allows doctors, lawyers, engineers and other high income earners to compete with their overseas competitors, and then the high income earners will be hurt too. Oh wait.... they have lobbyists...that will never happen?
    IT is getting killed by off shoring. A software engineer making $100k in the US has to compete with people in India making $13/hr. doctors and lawyers are safe because a physical presence is needed, but engineering, etc is all fair game now and has been for 10+ years.

    When this first started up, we had a "town hall" with upper mgmt that wanted to offshore most of our IT staff. Someone stood up and proposed that we would take a pay cut if it meant not laying people off and sending jobs offshore. The response: "Why not take a pay cut AND move jobs offshore?" So yeah, management is definitely playing hardball.

    Im just about to the point of saying "$#@! it" and jumping to the other side of the fence. Why the hell should I have 1/2 of my income taxed away and then stand in line to see the same doctor as the guy that hasn't done $#@! in 10 years? We all know where this is going to end up... If everyone got out now, the whole thing would go to hell fast than they could imagine.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
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    The middle class has been hurt by globalization, starting a long time ago. This country through policy put the middle class in competition with workers all over the world and the middle class has paid the price. Your management and most other manglements with a manufacturing component have moved production overseas to protect or increase profits.

    Wait till policy allows doctors, lawyers, engineers and other high income earners to compete with their overseas competitors, and then the high income earners will be hurt too. Oh wait.... they have lobbyists...that will never happen?
    so....globalization single handedly killed our manufacturing NOT labor unions? got it.

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    IT is getting killed by off shoring. A software engineer making $100k in the US has to compete with people in India making $13/hr. doctors and lawyers are safe because a physical presence is needed, but engineering, etc is all fair game now and has been for 10+ years.

    When this first started up, we had a "town hall" with upper mgmt that wanted to offshore most of our IT staff. Someone stood up and proposed that we would take a pay cut if it meant not laying people off and sending jobs offshore. The response: "Why not take a pay cut AND move jobs offshore?" So yeah, management is definitely playing hardball.

    Im just about to the point of saying "$#@! it" and jumping to the other side of the fence. Why the hell should I have 1/2 of my income taxed away and then stand in line to see the same doctor as the guy that hasn't done $#@! in 10 years? We all know where this is going to end up... If everyone got out now, the whole thing would go to hell fast than they could imagine.
    it makes you wonder what the Left thinks of the gainfully employed in the private sector... stupid? tolerant? too busy working to pay their taxes to fight for their representation? all of the above?

    small business is going to take the biggest hit. several friends of mine who worked for small businesses were recently laid off or will be laid off due to the increased cost of health insurance.
    my company won't be hiring next year (even though we need more staff badly) for the same reasons.

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    You can blame other countries all you like but tell me this, how much more would you be willing to pay for products and services? Taking the insurance market as an example, are you willing to pay twice what you current pay for your medical, auto and house insurance so that the profits are taxed in the sites?

    Using your example, someone earning 13 an hour is replaced by someone in the states 40 an hour. Are you going to pay 50% or 60% more for a software program made in the us?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
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    Using your example, someone earning 13 an hour is replaced by someone in the states 40 an hour. Are you going to pay 50% or 60% more for a software program made in the us?
    I think you have it backwards. The software was always developed in the US. When the jobs went overseas, the consumer never saw the price go down. The savings went to the company bottom line. Certainly that helped offset price hikes in other areas that did help consumers. But we also don't have the choice in software. You can't look at a box and see that the program was developed in country x, like you can see a tag on a shirt. So we really don't have the option to buy American and pay the premium. And yes, I do shop for things based on country of origin, and will pay a premium for US goods in many situations.

    The bottom line is that we live in a first world economy and have to compete with workers in a third world economy. Do you think it's reasonable for a technical professional to work for the same wage as a shift lead at Starbucks? If the pay were equal, I'd much rather make lattes all day than do what I do now.
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    it makes you wonder what the Left thinks of the gainfully employed in the private sector... stupid? tolerant? too busy working to pay their taxes to fight for their representation? all of the above?
    The left doesn't think. They believe they have the moral authority to do what they do, and they know they have the power of government to force anyone that disagrees to step into line. They now have a majority of the electorate that will continue to vote for their handouts.

    There is no turning back now. Dr. Paul acknowledged as much after the election. We have already begun the downward spiral of taxes to pay for entitlements. The trigger at this point will be when confidence in the dollar drops to the point where we are no longer able to keep up the appearance of solvency. That's when the real $#@! hits the fan.
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    When the jobs went overseas, the consumer never saw the price go down. The savings went to the company bottom line.
    I would agree with this, they are always padding the bottom line.

    Minor example here but video game companies started outsourcing programmers and on top of that went to digital distribution. Saved tons of money... prices stayed the same but they padded the bottom line.

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    Any you will pay double for medical insurance?
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    Any you will pay double for medical insurance?
    Will I? I don't know, I already have health insurance and I'm happy with it just hope they don't screw it up. Whatever, nothing I can do about it.

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    Joe,

    if Obamo has his way and the insurance industry comes onshore, your medical premiums and for that matter almost all insurance will substantially increase.

    if the cost of business goes up, the cost goes directly to the customer.

    as the saying goes, be careful what you ask for as you might just get it.
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    Joe,

    if Obamo has his way and the insurance industry comes onshore, your medical premiums and for that matter almost all insurance will substantially increase.

    if the cost of business goes up, the cost goes directly to the customer.

    as the saying goes, be careful what you ask for as you might just get it.
    I'm not asking for higher prices. I'm just saying it's out of my hands.

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    Working within the system and 'cheating' the system are two very different concepts.
    lol, i would say 1 guy, 3 kids, 2 different women; man and 1 woman live together with 3 kids, but each adult claims a different residence and each claims 1 kid, would be if true, legal, but situation is not true or accurate..

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    well, he's single handedly jump started precious metals trading in the last few days.. mainly brass and lead


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    well, he's single handedly jump started precious metals trading in the last few days.. mainly brass and lead


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    so....globalization single handedly killed our manufacturing NOT labor unions? got it.
    Labor unions sat across the table from manglements that gave them what they wanted in their contracts as long as their salaries and bonuses continued to increase at ridiculous rates. They could give a isht where profits come from or who provided them as long as they kept coming.

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