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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not less than compelling it's accurate. It isn't a ridiculous comparison at all as a tune is a power mod. The FMIC can add power but it is more about consistency for your real power mods.
    Reiterating what you have already said doesn't make it any more correct. Proof is in the pudding. Intercooler cools the air, cold air is more dense, you gain power.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Reiterating what you have already said doesn't make it any more correct. Proof is in the pudding. Intercooler cools the air, cold air is more dense, you gain power.
    Well I can keep repeating it until you understand. I believe I already made the point about cool dense air. What you are forgetting is the effect of ambient temps.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well I can keep repeating it until you understand. I believe I already made the point about cool dense air. What you are forgetting is the effect of ambient temps.
    Ambient temps from 20 to 130 degrees have minimal effect on this. As I have already explained. Read back and grab a calculator if you don't believe me.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Ambient temps from 20 to 130 degrees have minimal effect on this. As I have already explained. Read back and grab a calculator if you don't believe me.
    Minimal, really? So there should be a minimal change in cooling on a hot summer day versus winter. I think anyone with an air cooled intercooler knows this isn't the case especially after a couple passes.

    The FMIC isn't a big power mod, it's more of a supporting mod for your power mods. It really is that simple.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Minimal, really? So there should be a minimal change in cooling on a hot summer day versus winter. I think anyone with an air cooled intercooler knows this isn't the case especially after a couple passes.

    The FMIC isn't a big power mod, it's more of a supporting mod for your power mods. It really is that simple.
    Its about the temperature rise. If you don't get it by now, I really don't know what to say. Again, grab a calculator, crunch the numbers, and it will be apparent. Or just look at a dyno of the same car with nothing but the intercooler swapped back to back.... it really is that simple. I cannot dumb it down for you anymore.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Its about the temperature rise. If you don't get it by now, I really don't know what to say. Again, grab a calculator, crunch the numbers, and it will be apparent. Or just look at a dyno of the same car with nothing but the intercooler swapped back to back.... it really is that simple. I cannot dumb it down for you anymore.
    Will the temperature rise more when the ambient is higher?

    Grab a calculator or not it's irrelevant, the FMIC is a supporting mod. It can add power, it doesn't always add power consistently and once the car is heat soaked and the intercooler no longer makes a difference what power is it adding? You are accounting for this how? By saying in theory on paper it is adding power? It's not a constant, period.

    It's a cooling and consistency mod more than a power mod.

    I don't know how I can dumb this down for you any more.

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    Oh god. I have already answered all these Qs.

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    im glad my thread train wrecked lol.. oh well.

    I still say from hard facts, it is both a power and consistency mod.

    With the same weather and DA and the same 60ft i went from 12.17 at 114.x to 11.87 @ 116.x by only installing the ER FMIC. Power.

    I ran 3 runs within 12 minutes with no cool down and similar 60fts 1.79, 1.80 and 1.83 and ran 11.91 11.87 and 11.95 all at 116.x Consistency.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
    I still say from hard facts, it is both a power and consistency mod.
    Yes but more so consistency and supporting mod especially considering dependence on ambient temps for cooling.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes but more so consistency and supporting mod especially considering dependence on ambient temps for cooling.
    maybe my results are skewed bcuz here in south Florida ambient temps at the track can often be in the 80s even at night. That sets you up for failure with the stock intercooler. Even just getting into 4th gear on a pass IATs for me were getting to 170+ lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
    maybe my results are skewed bcuz here in south Florida ambient temps at the track can often be in the 80s even at night. That sets you up for failure with the stock intercooler. Even just getting into 4th gear on a pass IATs for me were getting to 170+ lol
    Exactly, Florida weather plays a huge part.

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    Ive said it and ill say it again, from about 30F to 120F it doesnt make a difference. The performance gain is pretty much the same over stock intercooler.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Ive said it and ill say it again, from about 30F to 120F it doesnt make a difference. The performance gain is pretty much the same over stock intercooler.
    so for me I'm in good shape. I'll never see ambient temps less than 40 or over 110 at my track Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Ive said it and ill say it again, from about 30F to 120F it doesnt make a difference. The performance gain is pretty much the same over stock intercooler.
    Temp always makes a difference and the gain won't always be the same. Once again this mod is highly dependent on use and weather. The gain won't be the same after a couple passes for example.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Temp always makes a difference and the gain won't always be the same. Once again this mod is highly dependent on use and weather. The gain won't be the same after a couple passes for example.
    I'm on the fence with you two lmao.. I see both sides from personal experience. for example 3 passes without stopping or turning car off..
    10:25 1.79 60ft 11.91 116.15
    10:31 1.80 60ft 11.87 116.68
    10:37 1.83 60ft 11.95 116.20

    i lost .5 mph last run maybe just a touch of the FMIC starting to warm.. hard to say though bcuz if i shifted ever so slightly differently it could account for that.

    On another not Sticky a while back i said i was a street tire launch master and you said not until i consistently cut 1.8xs Will you bless me as a street tire launch master yet? Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
    On another not Sticky a while back i said i was a street tire launch master and you said not until i consistently cut 1.8xs Will you bless me as a street tire launch master yet?
    If you are doing it consistently sure why not? Is your car automatic?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If you are doing it consistently sure why not? Is your car automatic?
    Yes im AT
    i cut 1.80,1.80,1.80,1.79,1.83 and one 1.95 with a spin that night
    The weekend b4 i cut 1.76,1.79,multiple 1.80-1.84s and one 1.9x with tire spin getting gung ho lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
    Yes im AT
    i cut 1.80,1.80,1.80,1.79,1.83 and one 1.95 with a spin that night
    The weekend b4 i cut 1.76,1.79,multiple 1.80-1.84s and one 1.9x with tire spin getting gung ho lol
    It's easier to be a street tire launch master with an automatic turbo car you brake boost at the line but hey, sure, enjoy it heh.

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    True but you still have to modulate off the line.. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Temp always makes a difference and the gain won't always be the same. Once again this mod is highly dependent on use and weather. The gain won't be the same after a couple passes for example.
    I said the gain will be the same... not the power. Ambient temp effects power no matter what. If its 120F out versus 40F out you will make different amounts of power with or without an intercooler. The gain will be about the same between what you would make and what you do make in both these scenarios. A couple passes is not enough to heat soak an upgraded N54 intercooler in the 500hp range. For example my smaller Wagner (not full size) until has a rise of 5F after a pull from 2k to 7k in 3rd. You can easily shed that 5F driving back to do the next pull.

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    Je dois vous montrer quelque merci à vous pour me renflouer de ce type d'instance . Juste après la navigation sur le net et faire des suggestions qui n'étaient pas puissant, je suppose toute ma vie a été bien plus . Être en vie dépourvue des solutions aux difficultés que vous avez fixées par voie de l'article est un cas critique, et ceux qui pourraient avoir d'une manière négative endommagé toute ma carrière si je n'avais pas rencontré votre site Web. Votre capacité et la gentillesse de prendre soin de toutes les choses était important . Je ne sais pas ce que j'aurais fait si je n'avais pas découvert un sujet comme celui-ci . Je peux aussi en ce moment regarder vers l'avenir pour mon avenir . Merci pour votre temps beaucoup pour cette aide professionnelle et sensible . Je n'hésiterai pas à proposer le blog à tous ceux qui auront besoin d'aide à ce sujet . ce qui concerne

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by uae escort Click here to enlarge
    Je dois vous montrer quelque merci à vous pour me renflouer de ce type d'instance . Juste après la navigation sur le net et faire des suggestions qui n'étaient pas puissant, je suppose toute ma vie a été bien plus . Être en vie dépourvue des solutions aux difficultés que vous avez fixées par voie de l'article est un cas critique, et ceux qui pourraient avoir d'une manière négative endommagé toute ma carrière si je n'avais pas rencontré votre site Web. Votre capacité et la gentillesse de prendre soin de toutes les choses était important . Je ne sais pas ce que j'aurais fait si je n'avais pas découvert un sujet comme celui-ci . Je peux aussi en ce moment regarder vers l'avenir pour mon avenir . Merci pour votre temps beaucoup pour cette aide professionnelle et sensible . Je n'hésiterai pas à proposer le blog à tous ceux qui auront besoin d'aide à ce sujet . ce qui concerne
    thats brilliant !!!! I'm sorry I can't positive rep, but man, you are spot on
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    I said the gain will be the same... not the power. Ambient temp effects power no matter what. If its 120F out versus 40F out you will make different amounts of power with or without an intercooler. The gain will be about the same between what you would make and what you do make in both these scenarios. A couple passes is not enough to heat soak an upgraded N54 intercooler in the 500hp range. For example my smaller Wagner (not full size) until has a rise of 5F after a pull from 2k to 7k in 3rd. You can easily shed that 5F driving back to do the next pull.
    Gain will be the same but not the power? Um, ok.

    Yes, ambient temp always is a facotr.

    A couple passes is definitely enough to heak soak an N54. Take one to a strip, anyone who has knows this. Do back to back passes in hot weather and talk to me.

    I can heat soak an N54 with one pass. Seriously. Especially if I'm sitting in the staging lanes waiting.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
    thats brilliant !!!! I'm sorry I can't positive rep, but man, you are spot on
    One of the best posts I've ever read.

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