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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Not sure about other companies but I recently saw dynos of an ESS VT2-600 running at the richest 13.0 AFR at redline. Every where else was relatively leaner.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV6fzQQc7UA

    that would be crazy if the S65 was running 13.xxAFR...i hope that was a typo
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
    that would be crazy if the S65 was running 13.xxAFR...i hope that was a typo
    Watch the YouTube video. They overlayed the DynoJet data acquisition interface. Never once did I see it dip into the 12s.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Watch the YouTube video. They overlayed the DynoJet data acquisition interface. Never once did I see it dip into the 12s.

    wow...thats SUPER lean...makes my 10.3afr at redline in the V look SUPER DUPER rich
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    This is like the 4th dyno I have seen with a super lean afr.. How is it not blowing up?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    I guess you meant "more" power. Are you implying these numbers represent the absolute limit for the S65? Somebody should twin-turbo that engine!
    The motor is capable of a ton more power with a decent blower...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If it's the larger blower it will make more power at the same boost.

    Plus it's not like Drew actually paid full price for any of this.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    I guess you meant "more" power. Are you implying these numbers represent the absolute limit for the S65? Somebody should twin-turbo that engine!
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
    wow...thats SUPER lean...makes my 10.3afr at redline in the V look SUPER DUPER rich
    10.3 is SUPER DUPER rich... LOL
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    This is like the 4th dyno I have seen with a super lean afr.. How is it not blowing up?
    dude i have NO idea...lol....my LSA would have spit out a piston by now....i dunno....maybe the S65 is built really well?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Who mentioned price? Based on the shown info thats not overly impressive power for a fully built motor with boost was my point.
    You did, you said for the money it's not impressive. I agree, if these were my results I'd call them pathetic and be embarrassed to post them. Obviously you realize this isn't indicative of all the blown cars right?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Perhaps someone is making more power but thats not shown.
    What are you talking about? Did you even click the links in the OP? Gintani is showing much more power: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...I-supercharger

    More power at the wheels as well with low boost on a Dyno Dynamics...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
    wow...thats SUPER lean...makes my 10.3afr at redline in the V look SUPER DUPER rich
    What I was trying to explain to you... there are many other dynos as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
    dude i have NO idea...lol....my LSA would have spit out a piston by now....i dunno....maybe the S65 is built really well?
    Yes it is plus the ECU is pretty forgiving. No cast parts like the LSA Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    10.3 is SUPER DUPER rich... LOL
    saw a 9.9 last couple times out....needless to say there is a bunch of untapped power left in the V.....but thats for another thread and another time....back to the fact that the S65 is running on a 13.xx+AFR
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes it is plus the ECU is pretty forgiving. No cast parts like the LSA Click here to enlarge
    which is why my LSA is getting an entire callies compstar rotating assembly.... Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You did, you said for the money it's not impressive. I agree, if these were my results I'd call them pathetic and be embarrassed to post them. Obviously you realize this isn't indicative of all the blown cars right?



    What are you talking about? Did you even click the links in the OP? Gintani is showing much more power: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...I-supercharger

    More power at the wheels as well with low boost on a Dyno Dynamics...
    Uh no I did not mention money at all... And Flywheel HP means what to me?
    We stay swingin...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes it is plus the ECU is pretty forgiving. No cast parts like the LSA Click here to enlarge

    is it reducing the timing? id assume so....or is it running like 25+ deg at redline with that 13.xxAFR?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
    dude i have NO idea...lol....my LSA would have spit out a piston by now....i dunno....maybe the S65 is built really well?
    Not built that wellClick here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    Not built that wellClick here to enlarge

    well someone shed light as to why the S65 is still alive running so lean.....inquiring minds (or just me) want to know....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Uh no I did not mention money at all... And Flywheel HP means what to me?
    Flip M3 said he expected more for the cost of a built motor and you said you expected more from a built motor as well. I agreed, how is a built motor not costing more?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    And Flywheel HP means what to me?
    That's Shoot 8F, you probably need to learn more about Dyno Dynamics.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    Not built that wellClick here to enlarge
    It does have some issues but the pistons, rods, and crank are quality pieces.

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    What's the compression of the built motor car? If it's lowered, they will need to boost it even more...but should be able to relatively safe as long as the tune is good. The numbers look good to me on the 725 car if you consider what static cr the motor was built at. I'm assuming 10:2???

    Lastly, I think it was a bad move on staying with an S trim for the built car. I would've wanted a JT at a minimum if it could fit.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Flip M3 said he expected more for the cost of a built motor and you said you expected more from a built motor as well. I agreed, how is a built motor not costing more?


    That's Shoot 8F, you probably need to learn more about Dyno Dynamics.
    Like I said when did I mention cost? Stay on topic Mitt!

    Your assumption is that somehow I'm not familiar? You amaze me with that skill...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Your assumption is that somehow I'm not familiar? You amaze me with that skill...
    If you were familiar then you wouldn't have made the comment you did. Go ahead, fill us all in on what that means.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Like I said when did I mention cost? Stay on topic Mitt!
    A built motor doesn't cost anything? You expect more from a built motor, right? That is the topic pay attention.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blaizon Click here to enlarge
    What's the compression of the built motor car? If it's lowered, they will need to boost it even more...but should be able to relatively safe as long as the tune is good. The numbers look good to me on the 725 car if you consider what static cr the motor was built at. I'm assuming 10:2???

    Lastly, I think it was a bad move on staying with an S trim for the built car. I would've wanted a JT at a minimum if it could fit.
    It's definitely lowered just not sure to what.

    Hoping I didn't go too low on my compression.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If you were familiar then you wouldn't have made the comment you did. Go ahead, fill us all in on what that means.





    A built motor doesn't cost anything? You expect more from a built motor, right? That is the topic pay attention.
    My point is and continues to be that I would expect more power from a FI V8 motor no matter what it was... I never addressed the price of the built motor, I addressed the lackluster power result itself. As for the price itself, no its not cheap and yes for the money the buyer got screwed.

    Regarding the other dyno posted... You got all the answers as always so again I say you amaze me with that skill of yours.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It does have some issues but the pistons, rods, and crank are quality pieces.
    Proof tuning alone will not ruin the engine? I still believe oil starvation is the number one cause of a blown s65.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    Proof tuning alone will not ruin the engine? I still believe oil starvation is the number one cause of a blown s65.
    I agree with you on the oil starvation, which is what I'm primarily worried about. You guys got any way to address it?

    Tuning alone can ruin it, but the S65 can take a beating.

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