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    I think Romney will win. The media is full of bull$#@!, and very one side towards Obama (most of them at least). Just like the $#@!ing moderators at the debates. The last moderator wasn't as bad as that Candy $#@!. Anyways, according to a professor at the University of Colorado, he predicted Romney will win the popular vote by about 77%, thats huge!!! They have been correct at predicting the popular vote since 1980 by conducting some tests. Only a few Presidents have won the electoral college without winning the popular vote, the last one being Bush in 2000. Also, most of the people I talk to are done with Obama. The only people that want this guy to stay in office are those receiving government benifits which will surely go to $#@! once the economy collapses, if he stays as the President, most of Obama lovers are clueless about politics too. Just take a look at that Obama phone $#@!, most of his voters fall in that class. The others are too ignorant to know what's going on, and just want to keep Obama in because of his color.

    ENOUGH WITH THE ANTI-AMERICAN SOCIALIST!!!! This guy has done so much damage, and makes America look like a buncha pussies. Not the Superpower America is. Bowing down to the Chinese President LMAO (Unbelievable!!!). Apologizes to other countries way too much, and blames America for a lot of $#@!. Just listen to the speeches he's given around the world. It's pretty damn sad and pathetic. Gosh.....I'm so $#@!ing mad right now. This guy wants to destroy America and its power.

    If you haven't watched Obama's America then I recommend you do so now. I think its free now, just go to the movie's website. It will explain a lot about the guy who is running our country. So sad nobody knew a thing about this guy before he was elected. Everybody just wanted a change from the mess Bush did. Bad bad choice though, and now we are paying the price, and if he is elected for another 4 years, then we are going to be surely $#@!ed, just like he wants us to be. He wants to level the playing field on all levels.

    Also, if you are a car enthusiast then not sure why you would ever want this guy to continue to be our President.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    Not the Superpower America is.
    Or was?

    I'm afraid Romney is going to just expand the militarism. He wants to increase military spending like we need it. And he intends to pay for it with what?

    We could put a freaking man on Mars or be exploring space with untold wonders rather than trying to force policy on the Middle East.

    Both of them suck but Obama had his chance.

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    I just want him to apply his efficiency talks in all aspects. I dont see a need for more $ in the military when i personally see how it can be used better. I see this the same as an insurgency. Ive argued with some smart people that its all about money. People usually wont care about much else if they can be financially secure.
    Jobs is what is needed.. The problem with that, is theres not actually much room for "new" jobs. This is part of evolution as more and more is computerized, eliminating the need for individual workers. Especially true considering the cost of living in the US and wage comparison with the countries that have much lower bottom lines and a work force that is struggling to just survive, let-alone pay for ipads and netflix subscriptions..

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    Jobs is what is needed, but guess what. MILLIONS DON'T WANT JOBS!!!! They like the government to pay for all their $#@!. Section 8, food stamps, Unemployment, free medical etc...,There are a lot of jobs man out there man. There really are lots of jobs. Just not what most people want to do or are qualified to do. We need a system where there is minimal welfare, this will force people to go out there try harder to find jobs and work IMO, in order to sustain themselves or go live in the jungle.
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    Or we just wait for a zombie apoccalypse...the people who are dependent will die...and the people who take care of themseleves will be able to stand, fight and survive.

    Conservative Polls actuly show Romney with a 51-46 lead over Obama...but mainstream media ignores that, and focuses on how brash and rude he was at the last debate, saying his attitude 'creamed Romney'. When in reality, Romney played cool calm and collected, just like a commander in chief should...Scheiffer tried to drag Romney into all sorts of pro-liberal questions trying to get him Salughtered..

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    I sort through hundreds of jobs, all pay 80-100k year.. about 40% medical, 40% government services. Very few are real private sector.

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    Private sector doesn't want to hire anyone in anticipation of their workforce costs "doubling" (estimate) when they have to finance the employees healthcare who decide to go with Govt. Issued Healthcare instead of a private carrier.
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    Personally neither should win. I despise both of them equally. I'm not an advocate for voting the lesser of two evils. I'd rather withhold my vote if that's the case. Of course everyone is entitled to vote for who they want and all that but, I feel that a vote for Romney is a superior vote for uncertainty. Regardless of the poor decisions Obama has repeatedly done, he simply has not changed positions as much as Romney. Failed on promises ? Sure. " Etch a sketched " ( so cliched from the media but, fits oh so well ) his way through the campaign like Romney ? No. Why would I trust someone whose words can make a debate against himself ? Who will actually win ? Probably Obama. It's not like it really matters but, I think he will.

    I can expand on my feelings about the millions of people on welfare and the like but, that's a lot. Basically, there would still be lazy people unwilling to work no matter what. It's a fact of life. I'm for a phase out, just not now. The problem is, we can't exactly cut the programs that are helping the unfortunate entirely unless the people that ARE willing to work get employed and with jobs that can actually support a family. Support COMFORTABLY, not " just getting by ". There's a lot more to it but, that's just my overall consensus concerning it.

    This being a Romney Obama thread, i'm not sure how much acceptance or attention 3rd party candidates get but... I just watched their debate on RT ( I can post the youtube link if anyone hasn't seen it ) and it was refreshing. The setup could have used a bit of refinement but, eh what can you do, it started grassroots. The fact that the ending the drug war ( being favored without Ron Paul being there, although you could kinda say Gary is Paul part deux ), ending the fed, and the condemnation of the patriot act and ndaa were being discussed alone was enough to make me happy. To be clear, I don't vote ( reasons why is another reply ) but, if I did.... I would strongly look at Jill, Rocky, and Gary. I think Virgil would surely lose voters due to his proposed lowered funding yet continued support for prohibition of weed.

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    I hear you, but its a bull$#@! call. I prefer RP, but cant have it, so ill vote closer to my ideals. Sitting it out is for pansies. vote 3rd party, but go vote.

    curious about why you dont vote, probably had that liberty revoked?

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    Well I feel the closest thing to RP is Gary. Besides the fact he pretty much said the guy was his role model, their outlook on a number of things line up. Of course we'll never have someone who promotes every single thing we want but, one that promotes the core values a person holds should be taken into consideration.

    And that liberty being revoked would be spot on my friend. I could petition to reinstate those liberties if I so chose, I just choose not to.

    The reasons why I don't vote are controversial. It can be easily summarized as religious but, there's just a bit more to it. I'm not some mysterious guy with all this superior knowledge. I just look at things for what they are and base my own opinion. I'm simply apart of a minority whose worldview believes " the people "aren't the power ( democratically anyway ). This is all a game. One that's unfortunately rigged. Regardless of who even attempts to be in office, the ruling elite will put the pieces where they want. I don't care if you call them the illuminati, big corporations, whatever. There are people whose plans dictate your life and you pretty much have zero influence. To even have faith things can or will turn around is severely diminished when things like the Patriot Act, NDAA, NDRP etc are pushed through without a nationwide revolt. It's not about trying to unplug people from the matrix. People are like Cypher. They WANT to be plugged in. Again, religion provides a reasonable answer for me but, it's really not a " widely accepted " answer lol.

    Either way, it's all just entertainment for me. Whether that's worthy of a pansy title is up to you and everyone else. People have a right to their own opinions. If america wakes up by some miracle, great. Until then, the ability to make a change isn't as important as the possibility of a change actually happening.

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    Thank you sleepers, you saved me a lot of typing. I've already voted for Johnson.

    Too bad we have a self-perpetuating idea that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote. If everyone that is voting for the lesser of the two evils voted for a candidate that they actually supported, we might begin to see some change in this country. Or at least start to break the two party stranglehold that currently exists.

    The game is rigged. Look at what happened after Perot made his bids... No more 3rd party candidates in the debates. Look at what happened to Ron Paul this year within the GOP. Serious voter fraud and disenfranchisement. Ironic that Romeny now looks to Maine for electoral votes when they would have gone strongly for Dr. Paul had they not been screwed by the GOP.

    The dollar collapse will kick things off. Neither of these two candidates will do anything to stop this. I hope you guys living in the cities are prepared.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Too bad we have a self-perpetuating idea that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote
    It's true though. I'd rather have Johnson too but it's a 0% chance he wins.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Too bad we have a self-perpetuating idea that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote. If everyone that is voting for the lesser of the two evils voted for a candidate that they actually supported, we might begin to see some change in this country. Or at least start to break the two party stranglehold that currently exists.
    i agree, complerely. But i also realize that civil liberties are less at stake with Romney than Obama, and the fact that its only buying time to get more people to wake up to the fact we need an RP or GJ to get real change. If you lok at the numbers previously from 08 to 12, and the amount of awareness with independents, its growing, just not enough at this point in time to make a real change, so i vote for more time

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    But i also realize that civil liberties are less at stake with Romney than Obama
    I disagree with this. Romney has come out in favor of US Patriot and NDAA. He's never committed to doing anything about the TSA. He supports government controls on the Internet. He thinks we should expand Gitmo and spend more on the military. Status quo.

    I think the only way Romney might be better than Obama is if he is more restrained with his use of Executive Orders. Or if he gives the finger to the UN, which I seriously doubt will happen given how much he likes to pander to the left despite his attempts to show otherwise.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    He supports government controls on the Internet.
    Source?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    I disagree with this. Romney has come out in favor of US Patriot and NDAA. He's never committed to doing anything about the TSA. He supports government controls on the Internet. He thinks we should expand Gitmo and spend more on the military. Status quo.

    I think the only way Romney might be better than Obama is if he is more restrained with his use of Executive Orders. Or if he gives the finger to the UN, which I seriously doubt will happen given how much he likes to pander to the left despite his attempts to show otherwise.
    id like a source on all of that. expanding gitmo is a bad thing? lol, you ever meet a jihadist face to face?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    id like a source on all of that. expanding gitmo is a bad thing? lol, you ever meet a jihadist face to face?
    I think closing down Gitmo makes sense if you agree with the Ron Paul assessment of why we have radical Islamists mad at us, and that it serves as a source for anger amongst those that are so inclined to join that cause. Naturally I don't want to meet a jihadist face to face, but I think if Iran had a place where Americans were locked up indefinitely, there would be an outcry here as well. Just go back to the late 70's for a small-scale example with the hostages.

    NDAA:



    Gitmo and "Enhanced interrogation techniques"



    Putting 2 + 2 together, the possibility is there for the Feds to declare an American citizen a terrorist based on the shaky definitions under the NDAA, send them to Gitmo, and torture them. All without due process. Scary as $#@!.

    TSA:



    He wants pilots to bypass the screening process. Nothing for the rest of us.

    Sticky, I can't find anything on his Internet stance. I do recall him being in support of the kill switch during one of the debates. I did find something you will find interesting on the Fed and Bernanke. This video is overall great, but you can skip to ~ 2:25 for the zinger on the Fed and propping up the dollar.



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    We need to some how bring Lincoln back from the dead. Maybe we'll see change then, other than that I dont see any radicals changes in government such as the ones proposed by Ron Paul. The people are too ignorant or don't car enough about wtf is going on in their country. Sad but true. Maybe when our economy collapses and the majority of the population is on poverty. Maybe then the people will wake up and get smart about such matters.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    We need to some how bring Lincoln back from the dead. Maybe we'll see change then, other than that I dont see any radicals changes in government such as the ones proposed by Ron Paul. The people are too ignorant or don't car enough about wtf is going on in their country. Sad but true. Maybe when our economy collapses and the majority of the population is on poverty. Maybe then the people will wake up and get smart about such matters.
    You cant bring lincoln back from the dead, nobody would vote for him. Dont you understand that the things lincolns stood for are no longer acceptable today?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    You cant bring lincoln back from the dead, nobody would vote for him. Dont you understand that the things lincolns stood for are no longer acceptable today?
    Horrible but so true. Guess we are $#@!ed...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    Also, if you are a car enthusiast then not sure why you would ever want this guy to continue to be our President.
    Please tell me this is a joke. Something like that should be dead last in terms of priorities for voting..

    Anywho on topic Romney will likely keep spending neutral(unless he starts a war) and lower taxes, while Obama will likely increase spending and keep taxes the same or slightly higher.

    What America really needs from a fiscally responsible president is higher taxes and lower spending giving a big "F you" to corporations, unions and the military.

    Not that that will ever happen. I can always dream.

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    Yeah it was joke lol. The current administration needs to make it easier to drill for oil in US soil. We could be energy independent if the government wanted to. I think enough money has been given to the Arabs for their oil. Time to start making our own.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    Yeah it was joke lol. The current administration needs to make it easier to drill for oil in US soil. We could be energy independent if the government wanted to. I think enough money has been given to the Arabs for their oil. Time to start making our own.
    We get the most of our oil from Canada and Mexico...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by scott_uw Click here to enlarge
    What America really needs from a fiscally responsible president is higher taxes and lower spending giving a big "F you" to corporations, unions and the military.
    Higher taxes = Increase in unemployment (big corporate layoffs), increase in debt (people's living expenses will increase, wages won't) & be the death blow in an already weak economy. Private enterprises (big & small) are the life blood of the US economy + this President has done everything he can to interfere with what they do best: business.

    Unions are under a contract & more than likely are governor's concern (see Chris Christie taking on ALL NJ unions). As for former-active duty military, they deserve this country's gratitude for what they've done so good luck marketing that idea.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    As for former-active duty military, they deserve this country's gratitude for what they've done so good luck marketing that idea.
    I don't think anyone is in favor of cutting anything to veterans. I would be 100% in favor of giving the finger to the military-industrial complex. Corporations give to politicians who take us to war, which drives the need for military equipment and spending, which feeds back into the corporations that gave to the politicians.

    Regarding taxes, we should go to a flat tax for all individuals and corporations, with 0 loopholes or deductions. Reductions to the IRS budget would be a huge save, and economic growth in the private sector would be spurred greatly.
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