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    Not interested in SCing, but this is a great post. Nice job!

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    3rd page and no fanboys just pure discussion. I am truly impressed Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge


    +1 he has stated that spraying water on his intercooler will give him 20-30 hp.
    Water on the cooler doesn't even add 5hp from my experience. Icing the manifold makes more of a difference than spraying the cooler.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
    Water on the cooler doesn't even add 5hp from my experience. Icing the manifold makes more of a difference than spraying the cooler.
    he said about 30hp by spraying water on it. if i had a heat exchanger, i would test it. I know it was a trick on a few previous platforms ive had as well

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    he said about 30hp by spraying water on it. if i had a heat exchanger, i would test it. I know it was a trick on a few previous platforms ive had as well
    +1 i am going by what he said thats all.
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    You have all moved away from the shift points.
    This is a crucial crucial area.

    What you have all missed too is that you need to be compared the uncorrected graphs in these comparisons for the reasons I have mentioned in my previous post.

    What's going to be really interesting is what happens with the 8555 blower. That should pull hard to what ever red line AA choose.

    No matter what though, it is a massive over statement that one car will walk over another. It takes a massive amount of extra power to pull away from another car.

    Another area which is being missed out is that both of these kits could be displaying glory runs! What happens in the real world ? Temperature my fellow enthusiasts will take it's toll. How good is the charge cooler on the ESS? How good is the intercooler on the AA? What is the recovery time on both?

    Remember, a dyno graph tells you nothing about how responsive a setup is. Response alone makes a huge difference.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
    You have all moved away from the shift points.
    This is a crucial crucial area.
    I haven't...

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    Something else for you guys to chew on.

    The dynojet is an inertia type.

    So the wheel drive the rollers and there is no load applied.

    It would interest you to know that the AA runs take on average around 6.8 seconds to complete.

    While the ESS graphs take a best range of 8.6-9.6 seconds to complete.

    While there is a difference in final road speed due to the fact the ESS cars have a 200rpm higher redline, this would account for a very small amount of that time as the engine is still ramping up in power towards the red line so the time taken to complete that additional 200rpm is minimal.

    The time taken is just another dimension into the realms of dyno analysis.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
    It would interest you to know that the AA runs take on average around 6.8 seconds to complete.

    While the ESS graphs take a best range of 8.6-9.6 seconds to complete.
    This is an interesting point I have not seen raised before.

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    Hmmm....INCREDIBLE point Sal! This adds a whole different dimension to studying dynos.

    So here is my understanding....what way to look at these dyno graphs is to:

    1) Set compared runs at the same RPM/Speed
    2) Measure time between that point and the end of the run
    3) Observe rate of acceleration, speed, power delivery, etc etc
    4) Make one's own conclusion

    I think that kind of makes sense....correct me if I'm wrong....this is fun...haha
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    Wow there is a ton of info in this thread and it's a really enjoyable read, keep up the great work guys! @flipm3

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    So yes,

    make sure the same gears are being used and the starting rpm is very very close on both dyno runs to compare.

    I just sat here and compared a ton of DRF's I downloaded.

    It's all very interesting.

    Just don't get too carried away with this point as it is over the entire rpm range and not really applicable to high rpm races.

    What it does tell you is the response time and how much faster one car will be point to point through the gears.

    Here both the time and torque spread is in favour of the AA kit.

    Want to see some non meth runs though as AA do state that if 93 octane is used the power will be produced without smoking de meth Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    Wow there is a ton of info in this thread and it's a really enjoyable read, keep up the great work guys! @flipm3

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
    So yes,

    make sure the same gears are being used and the starting rpm is very very close on both dyno runs to compare.

    I just sat here and compared a ton of DRF's I downloaded.

    It's all very interesting.

    Just don't get too carried away with this point as it is over the entire rpm range and not really applicable to high rpm races.

    What it does tell you is the response time and how much faster one car will be point to point through the gears.

    Here both the time and torque spread is in favour of the AA kit.

    Want to see some non meth runs though as AA do state that if 93 octane is used the power will be produced without smoking de meth Click here to enlarge
    Man....absolutely mind boggling right now....Pretty cool stuff to say the least.

    We need more AA Stage 2 data STAT!!!!...and Gintani...and GPower...and VFE...and Evolve Click here to enlarge
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    We'll be calling you 'master dyno' soon Click here to enlarge

    Indeed strong with you is the Force!

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    lol hopefully next week guys with the 8555 blower.
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    Don't let us down Akash!

    We are waiting......

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
    We'll be calling you 'master dyno' soon Click here to enlarge

    Indeed strong with you is the Force!
    Hahaha...far from it...just someone who analyzes everything to the most minute detail before deciding what to buy...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    lol hopefully next week guys with the 8555 blower.
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    Don't let us down Akash!

    We are waiting......
    Click here to enlarge DO IT AKASH!!!!!!!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
    Don't let us down Akash!

    We are waiting......
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Hahaha...far from it...just someone who analyzes everything to the most minute detail before deciding what to buy...




    Click here to enlarge DO IT AKASH!!!!!!!
    i will try Alex and Sal. Hopefully i can get it done asap but this blower feels amazing to drive.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    ... but this blower feels amazing to drive.
    It sure is!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    Hopefully i can get it done asap but this blower feels amazing to drive.
    I kind of want to try it.

    Wish HKS had something big for my application.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I kind of want to try it.

    Wish HKS had something big for my application.
    if you ever come out to NYC i have apt we can chill at and your more than welcome to try the car out. I hope by winter i have something planned either big Hp for the m or new car.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    if you ever come out to NYC i have apt we can chill at
    Don't tempt me, I'll show up. Just don't wake me up early I am not a morning person.

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    It would be an honor to see you here in the east coast.
    But if you had any balls you would show up to your local events but word has it your nnot wanted there Click here to enlarge
    see now me on the other hand I will be attending the shift sector with my car Click here to enlarge either way I would love to run into you...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
    But if you had any balls you would show up to your local events but word has it your nnot wanted there
    I'm not? First I've heard.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
    see now me on the other hand I will be attending the shift sector with my car
    That's awesome but I'd be embarrassed to show up with a car as weak as yours. Perfect for you though.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
    either way I would love to run into you...
    You'll see me at Shift Sector then. Weird I'm attending it if I'm not wanted at my local events and apparently don't have balls? Ask other members who have met me. You aren't the first to talk tough and that's all it will be as always, you trying to type scary like some kid in high school L O L!

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
    It would be an honor to see you here in the east coast.
    Well I haven't made it to the East Coast yet but I was just in Ohio for shows, going to SEMA for the third year straight, LA auto show, OC Auto show, Mfest, Famoso, Sacramento etc. Haven't seen you at any of them and haven't heard about anybody missing you either. Probably because you aren't relevant anywhere other than in your own head.

    Regardless, this thread is about a technical comparison between the two kits which is clearly above your critical thinking ability as you would prefer to imply high school bull$#@!. Grow up little man, and I'll be more than happy to tell you the same at Shift Sector.

    Now either get on the topic or get lost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm not? First I've heard.



    That's awesome but I'd be embarrassed to show up with a car as weak as yours. Perfect for you though.
    you have enough embarrassment to worry about I mean you've been building your car for what 3 years now ? And have nothing to show for lol your gay...

    You'll see me at Shift Sector then. Weird I'm attending it if I'm not wanted at my local events and apparently don't have balls? Ask other members who have met me. You aren't the first to talk tough and that's all it will be as always, you trying to type scary like some kid in high school L O LClick here to enlarge if you say so ...

    Well I haven't made it to the East Coast yet but I was just in Ohio for shows, going to SEMA for the third year straight, LA auto show, OC Auto show, Mfest, Famoso, Sacramento etc. Haven't seen you at any of them and haven't heard about anybody missing you either. Probably because you aren't relevant anywhere other than in your own head.
    I've been at Sema for the past 3 years as well as been to Mfest this past year .
    but hey.... Keep talking smack champ .

    Regardless, this thread is about a technical comparison between the two kits which is clearly above your critical thinking ability as you would prefer to imply high school bull$#@!. Grow up little man, and I'll be more than happy to tell you the same at Shift Sector.
    Now either get on the topic or get lost.w
    We'll see what you have to say then .

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