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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    I kinda have to agree with sticky on this. Most track junkies go for NA cars. GT3, Z06, exige, miatas... Typically NA Rwd.

    ZL1 is an awesome machine but I can imagine track junkies really saying they need that car albeit it can do the job. But on long track sessions the more weight the worse. That thing will eat tires and brakes. From what I see most guy going for the mustangs or camaro are dragging. Also 99% on this site seem to be strictly into straight line racing so wtf is all the bench racing and arguing about.

    Also I bieve the CTS-V race car uses a NA V8. I think a 6.2 or it may have had the z06 engine. Pretty sure but can't say 100%
    Plus 1 and if it is an NA v8 point proven.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Plus 1 and if it is an NA v8 point proven.
    Well you better hurry up and buy one since BMW is going away from NA.

    Seriously though, the m3 would get owned by a zl1 on a track day. The m3 barely beats a stock mustang get.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fieldysnuts8 Click here to enlarge
    Well you better hurry up and buy one since BMW is going away from NA.
    I bought one a while ago.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fieldysnuts8 Click here to enlarge
    Seriously though, the m3 would get owned by a zl1 on a track day. The m3 barely beats a stock mustang get.
    The M3 came out in 2008. I hope a supercharged 6.2 liter V8 Camaro coming out in 2012 would be able to beat it although on a tight course I'll take the M3. There is also the M3 GTS, which will beat the ZL1 every single time.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    I kinda have to agree with sticky on this. Most track junkies go for NA cars. GT3, Z06, exige, miatas... Typically NA Rwd.

    ZL1 is an awesome machine but I can imagine track junkies really saying they need that car albeit it can do the job. But on long track sessions the more weight the worse. That thing will eat tires and brakes. From what I see most guy going for the mustangs or camaro are dragging. Also 99% on this site seem to be strictly into straight line racing so wtf is all the bench racing and arguing about.

    Also I bieve the CTS-V race car uses a NA V8. I think a 6.2 or it may have had the z06 engine. Pretty sure but can't say 100%

    You missed the point. I was pointing out that people argue that American cars are just for straight line racing and now that we have the ZL1 which actually turns, people still argue. There is no way of pleasing this people.

    Its kind of stupid that somebody would argue that NA cars are a rule of thumb for road racing. Sticky brought that out of nowhere so I dont undertand what are you agreeing with him there was no debating he fact that NA cars are better for racing.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Plus 1 and if it is an NA v8 point proven.
    What point proven? There was no point to prove. You are a $#@!.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    What point proven? There was no point to prove. You are a $#@!.
    Calm down and try to discuss the topic like a big boy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Calm down and try to discuss the topic like a big boy.

    You are a $#@! point proven.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    You missed the point. I was pointing out that people argue that American cars are just for straight line racing and now that we have the ZL1 which actually turns, people still argue. There is no way of pleasing this people.

    Its kind of stupid that somebody would argue that NA cars are a rule of thumb for road racing. Sticky brought that out of nowhere so I dont undertand what are you agreeing with him there was no debating he fact that NA cars are better for racing.
    No one is saying the Camaro can't corner well.

    I didn't bring it out of nowhere you seem to think the Camaro is built for road racing, it isn't. It's a muscle car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    You are a $#@! point proven.
    Sorry you got owned so hard dude, good luck next time.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No one is saying the Camaro can't corner well.

    I didn't bring it out of nowhere you seem to think the Camaro is built for road racing, it isn't. It's a muscle car.
    When did I say the Camaro was built for road racing?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Sorry you got owned so hard dude, good luck next time.

    Owned on what? LMAO If anything you are being owned. I insult you as I please on your own site.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Owned on what? LMAO If anything you are being owned. I insult you as I please on your own site.
    Yes, clearly, I look bad for providing an open forum. The only downside is some people can't handle it being unable to intelligently discuss certain topics so they result to insults like immature children. You are confused, that makes them look bad.

    Try to get back to the topic.

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    Too much fanboyism here. The M3 is a really nice road course car, but not even the GTS will be able to keep up with this Camaro ZL1, as I think it handles better with that ZR1 suspension. It is fine though, because like sticky said, the M3 came out in 2008 so its using old tech. Wait till the new M3 comes out to compare, and if the new M3 still losses against the mustangs 302's and ZL1's in a road course then its game over for ///M$.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    When did I say the Camaro was built for road racing?
    I wrote most people do not buy it to go road racing at which point you posted a picture of a Cadillac built for the track which has nothing to do or in common with the Camaro ZL1 we are discussing here.

    By posting that and saying, "oh really" the implication was that people buy it specifically as a track car. I see logical reasoning is your strong suit. Perhaps you should go back to insults? You are doing a poor job either way.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    but not even the GTS will be able to keep up with this Camaro ZL1
    I disagree. The GTS is about 1000 pounds lighter, better transmission, better balanced, gives up nothing in a straight line, and won't suffer from heat soak. The ZL-1 would get rocked, HARD. Especially if you go more than 1 lap...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I wrote most people do not buy it to go road racing at which point you posted a picture of a Cadillac built for the track which has nothing to do or in common with the Camaro ZL1 we are discussing here.

    By posting that and saying, "oh really" the implication was that people buy it specifically as a track car. I see logical reasoning is your strong suit. Perhaps you should go back to insults? You are doing a poor job either way.

    Why would people buy the Camaro ZL1 for road racing? Where did you get that from? You are delusional.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Plus 1 and if it is an NA v8 point proven.

    OWNED

    "As for the car itself, it features an aerodynamic carbon fiber body and a supercharged 6.2-liter V8 engine that develops 535 hp (399 kW / 542 PS). While this is 21 hp (16 kW / 21 PS) less than the standard cts-v coupe, the car weighs 1,000 pounds (454 kg) less than the production model"
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    OWNED SO HARD

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    OWNED

    "As for the car itself, it features an aerodynamic carbon fiber body and a supercharged 6.2-liter V8 engine that develops 535 hp (399 kW / 542 PS). While this is 21 hp (16 kW / 21 PS) less than the standard cts-v coupe, the car weighs 1,000 pounds (454 kg) less than the production model"
    The word "if" must really confuse you. Also changes absolutely 0 points about heat soak with a roots blower in a 4000+ car on the road course, sorry.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The word "if" must really confuse you.

    At this point I already proved my point; SC'd cars do go road racing successfully.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    At this point I already proved my point; SC'd cars do go road racing successfully.
    Nobody said supercharged cars don't road race. We are talking about the Camaro ZL-1 not a stripped out SCCA car. Wow dude.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Nobody said supercharged cars don't road race. We are talking about the Camaro ZL-1 not a stripped out SCCA car. Wow dude.
    Nobody said supercharged cars don't road race.

    LMAO ahahahahahahaha
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I disagree. The GTS is about 1000 pounds lighter, better transmission, better balanced, gives up nothing in a straight line, and won't suffer from heat soak. The ZL-1 would get rocked, HARD. Especially if you go more than 1 lap...
    Maybe you are right after a few laps, but check out the ring time. The Camaro ran a 7:41.27, that's almost a second quicker than a Ford GT, and 6 seconds faster than the M3 GTS (7:48). There is no doubt this car is very very fast in a road course, but I wish I could find out for how long? How long can it last with that stressed out supercharger?

    Do we know if the magazines who test these cars out run many laps on them? Or is it just a 1-2 times a day ordeal? until they get the best lap time? It would be interesting to see how much the time of the Camaro is affected lap after lap, then compare to other cars such as the M3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Nobody said supercharged cars don't road race.

    LMAO ahahahahahahaha
    You do realize the Cadillac you are quoting, has a Katech built motor for the road course? You do realize there are different kinds of superchargers?

    You do realize everyone else seems to understand the advantages in a naturally aspirated motor versus a roots positive displacement supercharged V8 on the road course?

    You do realize you look like an idiot?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    OWNED SO HARD

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    That's a naturally aspirated V8 retard. Do you see a positive displacement SC on there? No, you see a large intake.

    Basic reading comprehension seems to be a struggle for you, learn how to read specs. Wish I felt sorry for how stupid you look right now:

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