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    Exclamation Cobb Protuning Group Buy - Florida and surrounding regions

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    I have been in contact with Will of Performance Race Solutions (PRS) about putting together special "Group Buy" pricing for members looking to get a Cobb Protune on their N54 powered BMW. They have not yet made the initial investment into purchasing the Protuning Software, but if we can get a minimum of 4 members that are willing to place deposits, PRS is willing to pull the trigger on the purchase. I'll be honest and say that i have no personal experience with PRS, but Will has been nothing short of fantastic in our communications, and seems very eager to earn our business. A quick search of the shop shows a very strong presence in the Orlando business community, as well as being very active in the EVO & WRX community, with an impressive resume of cars tuned and handbuilt in shop. They really are a one stop shop for performing simple installs, to all out race cars. Please have a look at their site to understand what i am talking about.

    Shop details:
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    4150 St. Johns Pkwy. Suite 1000
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    Group Buy Details:
    Minimum 4 participants willing to place a deposit. The deposit will be determined on how many people sign up for the group buy. If it is only 4-5 people, we will most likely need to pay the full amount up front, but if we can get 10, they will do a 50% deposit.

    Current Cobb/Protune Support:
    BMW 135i 2008-2010
    BMW 335i 2007-2010
    BMW 335is 2011-2012
    BMW 335xi 2007-2008
    BMW 335i xDrive 2009-2010
    BMW 535i 2008-2010
    BMW 535xi 2008
    BMW 535i xDrive 2009-2010
    BMW Z4i 2010-2011
    BMW Z4is 2011
    BMW 1M 2011


    Pricing:
    Initial map: $475 for 4-5 people
    $450 for 6+ participants.

    2nd map/every additional map: $200 (normally $250.)

    This is a full day's worth of work on the dyno. Most places charge by the hour and if your on the dyno for 12hrs it can exceed well over $1000 at most shops. Tuning on e85 is not easy as well. Also, the Dyno used is an all wheel Mustang Dyno, which offers superior tuning capabilities to that of a Dynojet. Dyno tuning of XI vehicles is also possible because of this.


    Timeframe:
    I am still waiting to hear from Will on this, he is already talking with Cobb to get an idea of how long it would take to have the shop ready to Protune our N54's.

    The only other requirements besides the fee are:
    The vehicle must be in solid mechanically working order with no issues that can lead to damage on the dyno (Waivers must be signed).
    Must have the Cobb Access Port (If you don't have one then you can contact Will directly to purchase along with the tuning service.)

    For those that are seriously interested, please contact me via email(A_SBott@yahoo.com), PM, or by posting in this thread. Once we have met the minimum member count, Deposits can be made with paypal, credit cards and locals can pay in cash.

    For direct inquiries or questions:
    Will@Performanceracesolutions.com

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    As much as this sounds like a good idea the ATP Cobb for D/I is a different beast for people tuning MAF/SD cars normally. Your cars would be the first to explore/perform. Do you want to be the guinea pig?

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    I'm assuming that any good tuner can adapt his knowledge to properly tune any vehicle when given the proper tools. There is a degree of "training" that will occur from Cobb when handing the keys to ATP, they dont just throw you in the boat and push you away from the dock.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    As much as this sounds like a good idea the ATP Cobb for D/I is a different beast for people tuning MAF/SD cars normally. Your cars would be the first to explore/perform. Do you want to be the guinea pig?
    Change fuel tables using a V401 map with MAF fix as the base, timing tables are self explanatory, the hard part is dialing in the PID as the car-to-car variance in relation to wastegate stiffness is the tedious part. I don't believe the vanos curve needs to be changed all that much if at all.

    What am I missing here?

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    Is flylow335i a member here? If so he should be able to let us know what's involved. However, my understanding is that ATR for the N54 is exactly the same as it is on all other ATP/ATP supported platforms.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Is flylow335i a member here? If so he should be able to let us know what's involved. However, my understanding is that ATR for the N54 is exactly the same as it is on all other ATP/ATP supported platforms.
    AFAIK some tables aren't present in ATR that are present in ATP.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    As much as this sounds like a good idea the ATP Cobb for D/I is a different beast for people tuning MAF/SD cars normally. Your cars would be the first to explore/perform. Do you want to be the guinea pig?
    There is no such concern.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    AFAIK some tables aren't present in ATR that are present in ATP.
    I wonder what tables are omitted?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    I wonder what tables are omitted?
    Wouldnt know. Never physically played with the N54 ATR. I just know what I know. Click here to enlarge

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    Prs is a great shop, I went to a dyno day there back in the day... They had a nasty 3 rotor Rx7... that price is a bit steep though.

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    Too expensive for a group by...shouldn't be more than 450 regular basis really...for a group by they should do less than 400 but then again they know their business best
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    Too expensive for a group by...shouldn't be more than 450 regular basis really...for a group by they should do less than 400 but then again they know their business best
    I tend to agree, but it seems all of the shops are too afraid to purchase the software citing there is no demand for Cobb tunes on a BMW(especially here in FL), in turn it seems they are charging a premium for their risky business ventures...

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    We have met the minimums, anyone else wanna play?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    Too expensive for a group by...shouldn't be more than 450 regular basis really...for a group by they should do less than 400 but then again they know their business best
    i agree

    i wouldnt mind running a cobb with my piggy when i get my car back. you ran both tunes at one point right? how was that? would you recommend it ?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    We have met the minimums, anyone else wanna play?
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    That was quick... see if they will lower it if you can hit a higher goal of people.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lamia2super Click here to enlarge
    i agree

    i wouldnt mind running a cobb with my piggy when i get my car back. you ran both tunes at one point right? how was that? would you recommend it ?
    Yes, I ran them both before Cobb sorted out boost control on my car. I also ran it for the awesome gauges, shift light and meth failsafety. Since then boost control has been sorted out, I upgraded my meth kit to HFS-4 which has a failsafe hooked into the DME so I'm currently just using Cobb on its own. I haven't been back to the stacked configuration in a while but at the same time I haven't had my car in about 2 months now Click here to enlarge

    Would I recommend stacking? It all depends on how you want to set your car up and what you appreciate more. I will say that I don't oppose it in any way.
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    Damn. I need ATR to hurry up and come out. COBB Plano wants $600 for a Protune and can't/won't do a meth or e85 map. No other ATP tuners in Texas =(
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Damn. I need ATR to hurry up and come out. COBB Plano wants $600 for a Protune and can't/won't do a meth or e85 map. No other ATP tuners in Texas =(
    Did they say why they cant/wont do the E85 or Meth maps??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Damn. I need ATR to hurry up and come out. COBB Plano wants $600 for a Protune and can't/won't do a meth or e85 map. No other ATP tuners in Texas =(
    That's strange. I'm confused why they won't do it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    Did they say why they cant/wont do the E85 or Meth maps??
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    That's strange. I'm confused why they won't do it.
    Probably because of liability issues? - "however we do not tune for Methanol or 50/50 fuel mixes. There is no way to accurately guarantee the consistency of such fuels over time."
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    Here's a response I got from Cobb on E85 and Meth tuning at Plano:

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    I dug around a little and it turns out our Plano location will not install or tune a meth kit due to the complicated installs and reliability of the kits. We have also had issues with the direct injected Mazda speeds killing injectors and pumps with high levels of E85. This has caused the shops, at this point, to put a blanket no E85 on DI based motors.

    We are going to work with the Cobb shops to see if we can get them tuning E85 and meth going forward. I don't think we will change their minds on installing meth kits, but tuning should not be an issue.

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    Here's a response I got from Cobb on E85 and Meth tuning at Plano:

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    I dug around a little and it turns out our Plano location will not install or tune a meth kit due to the complicated installs and reliability of the kits. We have also had issues with the direct injected Mazda speeds killing injectors and pumps with high levels of E85. This has caused the shops, at this point, to put a blanket no E85 on DI based motors.

    We are going to work with the Cobb shops to see if we can get them tuning E85 and meth going forward. I don't think we will change their minds on installing meth kits, but tuning should not be an issue.

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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    Dude just go piggyback while Cobb gets ATR ready. On stock turbos you're not missing anything.

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