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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    The MAP ruins everything. That's why we don't see 70whp gains in S65 even with the most aggressive tunes. Time to have a real Alpha-N for S65.
    The gains for a 100 hp per liter motor are pretty good.

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    race teams have run mostly stock S65's with standalone map based tunes and gotten well over 400whp, so expect something to follow for our street cars and OEM units eventually (like my car)

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    Thats a nice looking plenum
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The gains for a 100 hp per liter motor are pretty good.
    Still not as good as S85. What bothers me is that BMW took S85 design and made it better with S65. Much better headers, exhaust, tune but after all, the 100hp/liter ratio only raised to 103.5hp/liter!
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft
    race teams have run mostly stock S65's with standalone map based tunes and gotten well over 400whp, so expect something to follow for our street cars and OEM units eventually (like my car)
    Your car is very sick man. Did you use stock DME or went fully standalone?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Still not as good as S85. What bothers me is that BMW took S85 design and made it better with S65. Much better headers, exhaust, tune but after all, the 100hp/liter ratio only raised to 103.5hp/liter! Your car is very sick man. Did you use stock DME or went fully standalone?
    The hp per liter and torque per liter numbers don't point to it being all that much better. Wasn't the s85 dry sump too? All they really improved were the headers which they needed to due to the displacement loss and they improved the knock detection.

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    Great results.

    What is the accepted drive train loss on this platform. Does this car have the smg gearbox?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    What is the accepted drive train loss on this platform. Does this car have the smg gearbox?
    Mostly %17-18 on DJ. The car does have SMG gearbox like all the other non-US E60 M5's. Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky
    The hp per liter and torque per liter numbers don't point to it being all that much better.
    Exactly my words. Look at S85, with SS headers you gain 50hp. But on S65, SS said it's close to zero. Only M24 claimed a 20hp gain which isn't proven yet. So it means the difference between S65 and S85 should be bigger than 3.5hp more per liter, but it isn't...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Great results.

    What is the accepted drive train loss on this platform. Does this car have the smg gearbox?
    Figure it is an SMG considering the 6-speed was USA only (heh, how about that?) and stock they are in the 420's on dynojet's from what I have seen but that is with charcoals in place and no scoops.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Mostly %17-18 on DJ. The car does have SMG gearbox like all the other non-US E60 M5's. Click here to enlarge
    Thank you. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Figure it is an SMG considering the 6-speed was USA only (heh, how about that?) and stock they are in the 420's on dynojet's from what I have seen but that is with charcoals in place and no scoops.
    Thanks. Strong car. I wonder if the s85's already impressive top end gets even better with this setup. Seems likely.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Thanks. Strong car. I wonder if the s85's already impressive top end gets even better with this setup. Seems likely.
    Definitely will be stronger up top.

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    Nice! I freaking love the S85B50....
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    WHats the price on the airbox alone?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports Click here to enlarge
    WHats the price on the airbox alone?
    We have said approx $4k , but we need to sit down and do a real overlook, its many hours of work on it, and it seems like many want it now so interested better send us an email and put theire name on the que.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JAWS Motorsport Click here to enlarge
    We have said approx $4k , but we need to sit down and do a real overlook, its many hours of work on it, and it seems like many want it now so interested better send us an email and put theire name on the que.
    Ok Thanks but too over priced for me. Good work though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports Click here to enlarge
    Ok Thanks but too over priced for me. Good work though.
    Tnx, i belive we are so cheap on the coming headers so we need to earn money somewere on all hard work we put down in our products! Click here to enlarge

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    can someone remind me what they dyno stock?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports Click here to enlarge
    Ok Thanks but too over priced for me. Good work though.
    The airbox is one piece and a complete replacement so not cheap.

    Their tune and upcoming headers though are priced pretty darn well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    can someone remind me what they dyno stock?
    Dynojet around 420 with charcoals in place. The baseline here was around 450 but with scoops.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Dynojet around 420 with charcoals in place. The baseline here was around 450 but with scoops.
    damn, thats well worth it then, and headers are still to come?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    damn, thats well worth it then, and headers are still to come?
    Yeah, first version we did didnt fit as good as we wanted, so we had to get back to the drawing board!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    damn, thats well worth it then, and headers are still to come?
    Yes, headers plus full exhaust. So they will pick up more.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JAWS Motorsport Click here to enlarge
    Yeah, first version we did didnt fit as good as we wanted, so we had to get back to the drawing board!!
    How long until you have these?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How long until you have these?
    They should have been done long time ago, now they are almost ready but i cannot say a date..we must put them on our car and dyno it first, so the power output from headers only will only be a guess at first point :/

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JAWS Motorsport Click here to enlarge
    They should have been done long time ago, now they are almost ready but i cannot say a date..we must put them on our car and dyno it first, so the power output from headers only will only be a guess at first point :/
    I understand, looking forward to it.

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