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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mike@n54tuning.com Click here to enlarge
    Both Shiv and I got many infarctions for arguing a while back. Not sure if I got more or not but we were both banned from posting in each others threads for a while, which actually helped as things were crazy in 09 Click here to enlarge

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    It is amazing e90post is willing to ban technical resources like dzenno and themyst, guys who have run every tune and are happy to speak their mind and help others. But unwilling to recognize one single vendor is the cause of all their headaches. It reminds me of the ls1.com days when a few guys finally got fed up and started ls1tech. And ls1.com just died. If the technical guys left there would just leave and post their dyno charts, slips, and other exciting things elsewhere, the gold mine technical section of that forum would leave with them.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I remember those days. Good times. Click here to enlarge

    It is amazing e90post is willing to ban technical resources like dzenno and themyst, guys who have run every tune and are happy to speak their mind about. It reminds me of the ls1.com days when a few guys finally got fed up and started ls1tech. And ls1.com just died. If the technical guys left there would just leave and post their dyno charts, slips, and other exciting things elsewhere, the gold mine technical section of that forum would leave with them.
    Still waiting for that to happen.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gbreee90 Click here to enlarge
    How do we end E90post?
    I wish it was easy or possible but it's just a long fight. The only way to win is to never give up, never surrender.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I remember those days. Good times. Click here to enlarge

    It is amazing e90post is willing to ban technical resources like dzenno and themyst, guys who have run every tune and are happy to speak their mind and help others. But unwilling to recognize one single vendor is the cause of all their headaches. It reminds me of the ls1.com days when a few guys finally got fed up and started ls1tech. And ls1.com just died. If the technical guys left there would just leave and post their dyno charts, slips, and other exciting things elsewhere, the gold mine technical section of that forum would leave with them.
    It can be done, it's difficult, but it can be done. Anyone want to give me enough $ to make it happen? If not, we will just have to keep going at this pace which is surely and steadily increasing.

    I just don't have the resources they do.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I remember those days. Good times. Click here to enlarge

    It is amazing e90post is willing to ban technical resources like dzenno and themyst, guys who have run every tune and are happy to speak their mind and help others. But unwilling to recognize one single vendor is the cause of all their headaches. It reminds me of the ls1.com days when a few guys finally got fed up and started ls1tech. And ls1.com just died. If the technical guys left there would just leave and post their dyno charts, slips, and other exciting things elsewhere, the gold mine technical section of that forum would leave with them.
    My ban didn't get shortened, so they still hate me there Click here to enlarge It's ok though, it's boring over there without me warring with Shiv. The good news is Clap's ban is just about over so he will resume the warring for all of us.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    I'm not rushing to go back there any time soon man...i'm kinda disappointed in the moderators decision seriously...i don't think they took the time to read the thread, they probably just constantly got harassed by Shiv and his witty wording to ban me, eventually worked
    It's true.. I used to be friends with a moderator there and he would show me all the reported posts that came in. Always Vishnu reporting BMS customers who were posting potentially negative things in their threads. But no one cares when people take a dump on our vendors threads. It's really an odd situation with the management there. I really wish Internet Brands would purchase them so we could have some legitimate management over there. I'm running a 2m/yr business and at least 25% of my customer base flows through that forum yet our customers are continually banned and vendors who support our products need to always walk on egg shells to avoid threatening notes from Jason.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    It's true.. I used to be friends with a moderator there and he would show me all the reported posts that came in. Always Vishnu reporting BMS customers who were posting potentially negative things in their threads. But no one cares when people take a dump on our vendors threads. It's really an odd situation with the management there. I really wish Internet Brands would purchase them so we could have some legitimate management over there. I'm running a 2m/yr business and at least 25% of my customer base flows through that forum yet our customers are continually banned and vendors who support our products need to always walk on egg shells to avoid threatening notes from Jason.
    Jason = fail
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    Jason was the guy who asked me if I was up for creating an RB turbo build journal thread for my car after they were installed so he could feature it on the front page...and he's the one to ban me for speaking my mind factually on the topic of procede fuel control and Shiv's deceitful character...don't know what to think about that board anymore, I used to enjoy it...not sure i'd like to contribute further, what's the point other than to spite Shiv...I'm not around to entertain that guy, I'm here only because this is my hobby and I love tinkering with the N54...if I can't contribute in a technical unbiased sense there I don't think I have any point to be on there anymore
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    Go and have a look at their COTMs for N54 powered cars, then reconcile how many COTMs run a Juice Box Tune. Let us know how many you find.
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    It was ok back in the days, but after 5 years the cracks in the foundation are getting larger...

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    Just look at the FI section on E90post after the ban it is completely boring and a bunch of nubs feeding each other wrong information. Just look in the Cobb stage 2 thread... I can't believe they're "discussing" the FMIC requirement for the 2+ aggressive, lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I really wish Internet Brands would purchase them so we could have some legitimate management over there. I'm running a 2m/yr business and at least 25% of my customer base flows through that forum yet our customers are continually banned and vendors who support our products need to always walk on egg shells to avoid threatening notes from Jason.
    Why wish to support a forum that has tried to hurt you? Build up the base in places that attempt to build you up as well.

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    lol you guys crack me up. The thing is, the guys on e90post are not educated enough to understand the sales tactic that shiv uses and it works to vishnu's benefit. They just want a rep from vishnu to tell them everything is okay, and give them some BS as to why, and they'll beleive it. They dont know the history, they cant see all the holes in shiv's explanations, strawman arguments, constant self-contradiction. It's honestly come to a point where I'm done arguing with the guy.

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    Even shiv won't admit he's gone back on his word a few times... A real man would admit, 'hey I was wrong, we do need better resistors, hey there is a problem with the tune...' Shows you the difference between him and the rest of the tuners... They admit when something is up (some not all), but he hides behind lies and mis-direction like a true politician... Shiv should run for office, he's good at doing what they do already...
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    He's a better salesman. Imagine the $#@!storm that would happen as a result of the Vishnu God being incorrect. A problem with the procede? IMPOSSIBLE!Look at the harness update. They are STILL getting emails, new posts about how to do it. Now imagine them telling that every procede user has to go out and get these things altered, or send them back to vishnu for adjustment. They dont have the capitol to hire enoguh people...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tzu Click here to enlarge
    He's a better salesman. Imagine the $#@!storm that would happen as a result of the Vishnu God being incorrect. A problem with the procede? IMPOSSIBLE!Look at the harness update. They are STILL getting emails, new posts about how to do it. Now imagine them telling that every procede user has to go out and get these things altered, or send them back to vishnu for adjustment. They dont have the capitol to hire enoguh people...
    What? Shiv can be wrong about something? My world is shattered. (reaching for the credit card to order COBB) Click here to enlarge
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    Good call Scott..I see you're not getting his PWM kit anymore...that's the most overrated "upgrade" in the history of the N54...Did you know that Shiv marketed PWM to one poor soul on e90post as a great way to keep oil temperatures down in his engine lol dude never stops to impress lol
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    What's funny to me, I used to be a big (well maybe not really that big) supporter of Shiv/Vishnu when I was running it on my 335xi, before I upgraded to the X5... I told people it was the safest tune around, and it was better than the JB whatever (at the time) (Army335xi: If I get banned on e90 because of this, oh well)

    Then I ran with the JB3 for the N55 and started to say both tunes offer comparable performance and safety, and now I'm bashing on Shiv/Vishnu because they don't support the N55 X5... I even sold my Procede to someone else because I was sick and tired of the excuses that shiv/rob/vishnu was giving me in regards to getting support for the X...

    As of today I still haven't heard of any procede usage on an X5 (although they have been 'working' on it for almost a year and a half)... Almost every other tuner (OE, PAW, BMS) have released a tune of one sort or another for the N55 X5, but Shiv and vishnu are so far behind the curve it's not even funny. I know, X5 N55 owners are a small minority in the tuning scene, but we are still out there...

    I hate bashing on tuners, but when you see the contradiction (like a politician), and the tuner bashes on other people for pointing out his flaws, there is a big problem... A real tuner takes competition and recommendations to heart with equal measure, ultimately it is up to them whether they use that knowledge to improve their product or not, but if their is a flaw, admit to it, stop hiding behind others to keep the truth from surfacing, you might actually generate more customers by being truthful, because people will see that you are willing to admit your wrong and correct the problem..
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FLYING X5 Click here to enlarge
    What's funny to me, I used to be a big (well maybe not really that big) supporter of Shiv/Vishnu when I was running it on my 335xi, before I upgraded to the X5... I told people it was the safest tune around, and it was better than the JB whatever (at the time) (Army335xi: If I get banned on e90 because of this, oh well)

    Then I ran with the JB3 for the N55 and started to say both tunes offer comparable performance and safety, and now I'm bashing on Shiv/Vishnu because they don't support the N55 X5... I even sold my Procede to someone else because I was sick and tired of the excuses that shiv/rob/vishnu was giving me in regards to getting support for the X...

    As of today I still haven't heard of any procede usage on an X5 (although they have been 'working' on it for almost a year and a half)... Almost every other tuner (OE, PAW, BMS) have released a tune of one sort or another for the N55 X5, but Shiv and vishnu are so far behind the curve it's not even funny. I know, X5 N55 owners are a small minority in the tuning scene, but we are still out there...

    I hate bashing on tuners, but when you see the contradiction (like a politician), and the tuner bashes on other people for pointing out his flaws, there is a big problem... A real tuner takes competition and recommendations to heart with equal measure, ultimately it is up to them whether they use that knowledge to improve their product or not, but if their is a flaw, admit to it, stop hiding behind others to keep the truth from surfacing, you might actually generate more customers by being truthful, because people will see that you are willing to admit your wrong and correct the problem..
    If you read my posts on why I can't stand shiv, that is precisely why. Guy has the largest ego in this community and there is no way his tune can ever have flaws lol. The fueling deficiencies arent catastrophically dangerous on stock turbos but his attempt to draw the perception it's a tuning feature is laughable. I could care less about his tune or users personally.

    There is plenty of evidence supporting this either way.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    Good call Scott..I see you're not getting his PWM kit anymore...that's the most overrated "upgrade" in the history of the N54...Did you know that Shiv marketed PWM to one poor soul on e90post as a great way to keep oil temperatures down in his engine lol dude never stops to impress lol
    Hey, I bought the PWM, just have not installed. I'm looking forward to hear what you and cobb have done with your RB's and if/when they release a large turbos map. I'm one of Shiv's best customers in terms of how much revenue I have sent his way since April 2007, but I'm down to try something new soon and appreciate all the competition and testing going on.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by scottp999 Click here to enlarge
    Hey, I bought the PWM, just have not installed. I'm looking forward to hear what you and cobb have done with your RB's and if/when they release a large turbos map. I'm one of Shiv's best customers in terms of how much revenue I have sent his way since April 2007, but I'm down to try something new soon and appreciate all the competition and testing going on.
    Well at the heart of it Aquamist HFS-3 so hopefully you're locked into the procede too much hardware setup wise...never bothered to check myself but do you know how hard it'll be to use that kit on it's own without the procede? Is the Aquamist controller part of it?
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    Oh and I just got a new map from Cobb yesterday for high boost on RBs...it hits 20psi tapers to 18psi at about 6-6.2k rpm and no throttle closures...just needs to be touched up in the 6.2k rpm to 7.2k rpm range and it should be ready for some beating...looks to run the same timing as stage2+, AFR at 12...meth is mandatory, they're building it with the HFS-3 kit 1mm nozzle plugged in..for now I'm running my usual CM10+CM7 start spray at 4psi max psi 30psi (so about 2/3s of full flow/volume at 20psi) but i'll be playing around with these settings to find the optimal, might just leave it 4min 10max psi for meth flow in the end again which I ran for my 8.1 60-130mph runs...hate the fact that I don't have a better approach to dialing in my meth flow using a well established calculation and not a generalization from other systems...i'd love to know the mass of fuel being injected for particular load and then see what the ideal would be...but that's a topic for a separate thread than this awesome one Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    Well at the heart of it Aquamist HFS-3 so hopefully you're locked into the procede too much hardware setup wise...never bothered to check myself but do you know how hard it'll be to use that kit on it's own without the procede? Is the Aquamist controller part of it?
    If I'm not mistaken, the Procede takes over the role of what the HFS-3 is meant to do. So if I'm not mistaken, the Vishnu PWM kit needs the HFS-3 controller and some additional hardware to use with any other tune.

    He's much better served simply selling the Vishnu PWM kit and starting from scratch... or simply keeping the old Vishnu PPS kit as there's really nothing wrong with that setup.

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    The aquamist controller is not a part of the PWM kit. The valve is controlled using a lead from one of the procede harnesses, which used to be the speed delimiter. Thats why you cant have both speed delimiter and PWM active at the same time after doing the PWM required harness mod. I dont see why you wouldnt be able to hook up a controller and use that with a boost switch.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    If I'm not mistaken, the Procede takes over the role of what the HFS-3 is meant to do. So if I'm not mistaken, the Vishnu PWM kit needs the HFS-3 controller and some additional hardware to use with any other tune.

    He's much better served simply selling the Vishnu PWM kit and starting from scratch... or simply keeping the old Vishnu PPS kit as there's really nothing wrong with that setup.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tzu Click here to enlarge
    The aquamist controller is not a part of the PWM kit. The valve is controlled using a lead from one of the procede harnesses, which used to be the speed delimiter. Thats why you cant have both speed delimiter and PWM active at the same time after doing the PWM required harness mod. I dont see why you wouldnt be able to hook up a controller and use that with a boost switch.
    Crap that's what I thought...so why the heck is it so damn expensive then?? 1200 with the charge pipe, 800 without...i can't believe honestly how well Shiv markets his stuff and how successful he is at it...

    How much is the aquamist HFS-3 controller on its own, can it be purchased separately?

    Talk about vendor lock-in and being obnoxious with the price...don't get me wrong, Aquamist HFS-3 is a great kit but you can have it, with their controller, for $595 from Howerton Engineering (Jeff) who by the way is a great guy and very helpful...the only thing is he's sort of close with Shiv sometimes, hasn't seen the light yet
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