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    Videos: CP-E Standback vs. JB3 2.0 vs. Vishnu V4 PROcede

    All cars running ~15 psi, CP-E 135 is the camera car. Bolt on mods mentioned further down in the thread.

    CP-E manual car vs. JB3 2.0 335 Automatic



    This vid is not the best quality, but CP-E vs. Vishnu V4 335


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    is CPE camera car?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    is CPE camera car?
    Was about to ask the same thing. More details would be greatly appreciated, especially considering the CPE solution seems to be the best performer by far in this comparison, if all mods are equal and none of this is set up.

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    Looks like some fun runs. The JB3 lost by 2 cars and V4 lost by 6 cars from what it looked like? Let's get the JB3 car on the 4/16 firmware! Click here to enlarge

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    Nice find! I had seen one of them before.

    We didn't take these videos. A customer sent us the procede video after he was dyno tuned. If I am not mistaken it is a guy in Greece. He is in a BMW "car club" and the procede car was the fastest out of the group so they raced.

    In the last month or so we refined a lot of the software. Our greece distributor is going nuts over it. I can't remember the name of the magazine but one of the tuner mags is doing an article on the car.

    If any guys in the area want to come by and do a test drive I'd be more than happy to install my standback on their car for a spin. Can also do tuning demonstration. Our standback got its name because its a STANDalone style tuning interface but is transparent to the dme and works as a piggyBACK. You have 30x30 cell maps for boost, afr, timing, meth, fuel pressure. Also can run the black box which basically allows for full data logging and vbox style information that gets put on google maps so you can see your run through the whole thing. Its awesome!

    I would be more than happy to go into detail and get some standbacks into members on this forums hands. PM'ing me is probably the best right now because my wedding is in 2.5 weeks and things are VERY hectic. After May 24 when i get back from the honeymoon i will be on again all the time. If you have questions give us a call. I'll be around for the next 2.5 weeks though any chance i get when things aren't hectic. I always answer PM's quick since they get fwd to my phone.
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    CP-E, any dyno chart for this vehicle? Also, Terry and Shiv, or anyone else, can you verify that all mods were equal besides the tune, and do any of you have a list of the mods?

    Really cool system CP-E, but how dialed in are your "canned" maps? Will I have to do a lot of tuning to really be fast or are the default maps specific and somewhat aggressive out of the box? (In other words, would you have a 93oct/DCI map that is already pretty much maxed out for sea level, or a 100oct/full bolt map, etc?) Also, how does your tune adjust for IAT, or does it at all? I personally have not owned a vehicle that would vary boost as much as my 135i does, I'm used to setting up a boost controller but that's about it, although I have modified some A/F and Ign Advance tables with a Power FC Commander on a sr20det, and it made quite a difference in response, although I'm still skeptical to trust the factory knock sensor completely. My 240sx has a wideband so I can see what my adjustments are doing, is there any way to see true A/F ratios with your software to make sure we are tuning safely, or will I need to get another wideband 02 sensor? Would I be able to email "on road" logs and get advice on what cells and variables to modify?
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    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-PROCede-sucks!!!!!

    ps. first time seeing or hearing about these videos. Hey, it's racing. Anything can happen.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    CP-E, any dyno chart for this vehicle? Also, Terry and Shiv, or anyone else, can you verify that all mods were equal besides the tune, and do any of you have a list of the mods?
    Not familiar with any of the drivers, their mods, tuning, settings, etc, so can't help much there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    CP-E, any dyno chart for this vehicle? Also, Terry and Shiv, or anyone else, can you verify that all mods were equal besides the tune, and do any of you have a list of the mods?

    Really cool system CP-E, but how dialed in are your "canned" maps? Will I have to do a lot of tuning to really be fast or are the default maps specific and somewhat aggressive out of the box? (In other words, would you have a 93oct/DCI map that is already pretty much maxed out for sea level, or a 100oct/full bolt map, etc?) Also, how does your tune adjust for IAT, or does it at all? I personally have not owned a vehicle that would vary boost as much as my 135i does, I'm used to setting up a boost controller but that's about it, although I have modified some A/F and Ign Advance tables with a Power FC Commander on a sr20det, and it made quite a difference in response, although I'm still skeptical to trust the factory knock sensor completely. My 240sx has a wideband so I can see what my adjustments are doing, is there any way to see true A/F ratios with your software to make sure we are tuning safely, or will I need to get another wideband 02 sensor? Would I be able to email "on road" logs and get advice on what cells and variables to modify?
    I will contact the owner of the car and see if they had a dyno graph given to them. This was a customer car who apparently made some videos with his friends. I can only go off what they have told us as we had no hand in the tuning or modifications of the car. His explanation in an email I got was that he was out with friends from his BMW car group and there were a few jb3 cars and a few procede cars and these two cars in the videos had the same bolt ons and all running about the same boost. I didn't post these videos. I can't even see them from the computer I am on right now. He told me they had FMIC, DP's, DCI, and exhausts (and of course tunes).

    I didn't post these videos nor did I start this thread. This wasn't a thread for "OHHHH look how much faster the standback is". I am sure some procede and JB3 cars are faster than Standback cars. Just like there are videos of all different tunes beating other tunes. Its the internet. Do I think the Standback is superior to the other tunes? I think they are all just different and offer different things. We designed our system to be one that a person can just put on the car and drive or they can take full control and tune using a standalone style software we developed.

    Our canned tunes are all developed by me and I do offer end user support. It does not monitor AFR so I would recommend getting that ability but an LC1 or AEM w/b or the BT cable (convert from lambda?) is fine. The standback uses an algorhythm to account for different conditions the dme goes through. These algorythms allow us to "set it and forget it" for the customer who wants to plug in and go.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-PROCede-sucks!!!!!

    ps. first time seeing or hearing about these videos. Hey, it's racing. Anything can happen.
    Huh? Not quite sure I understand the purpose of this post Shiv. Are you trying to be annoying and get me to fight with you like you do with Terry? I have better things to do with my time. I didn't start either of these threads - I didn't even post these videos. Please have some class. I will not attack you and I would hope that you would do the same with me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Click here to enlarge
    Huh? Not quite sure I understand the purpose of this post Shiv. Are you trying to be annoying and get me to fight with you like you do with Terry? I have better things to do with my time. I didn't start either of these threads - I didn't even post these videos. Please have some class. I will not attack you and I would hope that you would do the same with me.
    What are you talking about? I was pointing out how the Procede "sucks". If anything i was making fun of myself. Maybe you should relax a bit.

    shiv

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    is CPE camera car?
    Yes, this was mentioned on the front page but forgot to update here.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
    What are you talking about? I was pointing out how the Procede "sucks". If anything i was making fun of myself. Maybe you should relax a bit.

    shiv
    No harm, no foul, your sense of humor takes some getting used to Click here to enlarge

    Shiv was actually mocking himself.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Click here to enlarge
    Are you trying to be annoying and get me to fight with you like you do with Terry? I have better things to do with my time. I didn't start either of these threads - I didn't even post these videos. Please have some class. I will not attack you and I would hope that you would do the same with me.
    lol... relax guy he just posted the procede sucks thread, if he was implying anything against u i'm sure he would have posted some of your specific posts.

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    lol at cp-e overreacting

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    lol at cp-e overreacting
    Just a misunderstanding Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Just a misunderstanding Click here to enlarge
    Are you saying we aren't smart enough to understand? Are you insulting me?! ZOMG


    </sarcasm>

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    CP-E, any dyno chart for this vehicle? Also, Terry and Shiv, or anyone else, can you verify that all mods were equal besides the tune, and do any of you have a list of the mods?

    Really cool system CP-E, but how dialed in are your "canned" maps? Will I have to do a lot of tuning to really be fast or are the default maps specific and somewhat aggressive out of the box? (In other words, would you have a 93oct/DCI map that is already pretty much maxed out for sea level, or a 100oct/full bolt map, etc?) Also, how does your tune adjust for IAT, or does it at all? I personally have not owned a vehicle that would vary boost as much as my 135i does, I'm used to setting up a boost controller but that's about it, although I have modified some A/F and Ign Advance tables with a Power FC Commander on a sr20det, and it made quite a difference in response, although I'm still skeptical to trust the factory knock sensor completely. My 240sx has a wideband so I can see what my adjustments are doing, is there any way to see true A/F ratios with your software to make sure we are tuning safely, or will I need to get another wideband 02 sensor? Would I be able to email "on road" logs and get advice on what cells and variables to modify?
    I find the Standback incredibly easy to use. Mine is set up to tune off of MAP voltage (boost). Because the Standback directly controls the wastegate solenoids and the wastegates are vacuum controlled, boost is basically a flat line at whatever you're set to. Jordan even demonstrated some crazy stair step like boost control using the throttle plate/rpm boost map. Anyway, b/c the boost is so stable, you can set the standback to do whatever with regard to fueling and timing at the specified boost pressure and rpm. My fueling map was created by Jordan on their dyno. He pulled 3 deg of timing at 14 psi, 2 at 12 psi, and 1 at 10. Above 14 he pulled 4 and 5 deg. I ran around on 10 psi until I got more mods. As I added supporting hardware, I could up the boost according to how aggressive I wanted to be. I'm now running around with DPs, catback, DCI, FMIC/OC, and charge pipe at 14psi and looking for victims... Click here to enlarge

    Apparently the standback can also control a secondary set of injectors so I'll control meth as well. That's my next move.

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    I'm sorry but this smells.....without details......both shiv and terry have been on the cutting edge and to show this as if cpe was pulling on there latest tunes seems to me to be la la land. Would luv to believe that there is some magic here but if the mods are the same and i doubt it. Both those cars had to be heatsoaked or something maybe there was a misunderstanding and it was the first generatlion jb3 and first vishu....You guys cant actually believe this and anyone in the tuning comunity will not but unfortunately the nooobs will believe.
    If its so great pls. put up Dyno's track slips, Data maps........SOMETHING. respect to all tuner heads........

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    that is my car with the cp-e stanback. no magic just tune the sb properly on the road.
    my car 135mt: cp-e standback,ar cattless dp's, borla racing catback with cats(200) and spearco ic(15psi)
    335mt : vishnu v4 stg 2,ur cattless dp's and custom 2.5 exhaust with cats(200) (15.5psi)
    335at : stock and jb3 2.0 map 5 or 7 i dont remember (15psi)

    here in greece we like the street racing and the comparison on the road .we did many races (2nd gear 60-260klm) every time the others cars were 5-6 cars behind. In this specific run with the jb3 my car had a lot of wheel spin. i liked the jb3 but is automatic and is helping on shifting .the weather was cold 10c(50f)
    i did a dyno on a dyno dynamics and the result was too low 340whp.no baseline
    i think cp-e standback is the best for custom map

    i want to thank my tuner from re-action engineering the official dealer of cp-e in greece
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    Ok NOW tha makes more sense.......jb car had no fmic or dp and the v4 was obviously heatsoaked no fmic...tks for speaking up this show that the CPE is VERY competitive. again tks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Graystone Click here to enlarge
    Ok NOW tha makes more sense.......jb car had no fmic or dp and the v4 was obviously heatsoaked no fmic...tks for speaking up this show that the CPE is VERY competitive. again tks.
    the run with the v4 was the first in the night and with 10c no heatsoaked.we have a lot of 335 with v4 and ic and bov but this car is better.
    we don t run on the dynos we see the results on the road and here the cp-e is better

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    your 135 would also have about a 200lb weight advantage. Good runs, and nice to see the cp-e standback running well but now we actually have some type of frame of reference in regards to the mods on the other cars. These cars definitely dont have "the same bolt-on mods"

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    40kg (90lbs) is my advantage

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TurboSid Click here to enlarge
    your 135 would also have about a 200lb weight advantage. Good runs, and nice to see the cp-e standback running well but now we actually have some type of frame of reference in regards to the mods on the other cars. These cars definitely dont have "the same bolt-on mods"
    This vishnu car is faster than any other vishnu car here in Greece even with more bolt-ons. If this car is faster than the other vishnu cars and was heat-shocked then the other vishnu cars must have serius tuning problems.

    The standback was custom tunned. This is the main difference not the bolt-ons.

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    It looked like u pulled on the vishu like 6 car lengths and the only differents is the fmic. So what kind of psi are u pushing if its the custom tune that is the reason.......sorry have hard time agreeing ,
    As soon as you start pushing high psi without a fmic the heat builds quick even with dp. Timing pulled would give this result I have trouble believing that the custom tune is putting out much more psi than the latest vishu or jb3 and anyone know the psi whp, is it 10whp per psi and 6 cars would be how much more hp?
    A kill is a kill and my hats off to u but I think that without some time slips or dyno's , it wasnt the custom tune that won it. but would luv to be wrong i would be the next customer... Respectfully.

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