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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'd be tempted to pick up an E46 M3 just for fun with a DIY kit like this. Sub $10k, install it yourself, factory DME, what's not to like?
    Exactly, You should really pick one up. Im very happy I have been researching my options and haven't went f/I already. Seems like everyday new options are coming out of the woodwork. Crazy how the s54 has been out for ten years and all of a sudden this year is making it a very user friendly f/i platform.

    I actully went to the stealer today and was going to make a impulsive buy on an e92. Beautiful car, but it just doesn't do it for me, but Omg, alpine/red, is incredible looking. Figured when the numbers were flying, a gtr was in reach and I like that option better. All in all I really really love my e46, and know once my car is turbo'd that I will have a blast.

    I really like this option, can't wait for the outcome, but the numbers have to be nice. The lack of stage upgrades might not make it happen for me though. First I was looking into HPF 2.5 but I feel that I want reliability more, so stage one is looking like a go.

    Last visit to the casino was really a big win for me, as the roulette ball was spinning I was like cmon daddy needs some HPF hahah. People were like WTF, but after they saw the roll I was on actually started cheering as well, lol. So this mod money is really burning a hole in my pocket and the lure of f/I is really getting to me. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

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    i hope radowski leaves all the pipng hand made with no coating. nothing but sexy stainless with epic welds. it might not match all the black in the engine bay, but $#@! it.

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    I love the idea of using a sealed bearing turbo on a kit like this, it's really the perfect appropriation. It eliminates a lot of potential issues and hardware complexity. We know the from HPF that the turbo sits too low to gravity drain, a pump is necessary. And that's to add on to the minor annoyance of a feed. It also eliminates oil starvation possibilities, so a turbo timer is unnecessary. I think this thing is absolutely baller. EFR tubo + sealed oil bearing = end of world, hopefully we'll have it by 2012.
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    This is awesome news for the E-46. A DIY turbo kit without a CEL and piggyback under 10K.
    So the question left is how much boost can the stock plastic manifold hold before it will fail ? Or is it pretty beefy ?
    Will this kit be limited to low boost because of DME tuning and injectors size ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by J.J. Click here to enlarge
    So the question left is how much boost can the stock plastic manifold hold before it will fail ? Or is it pretty beefy ?
    Good question, I don't know. Single digit boost should not be an issue I would think?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by J.J. Click here to enlarge
    Will this kit be limited to low boost because of DME tuning and injectors size ?
    If they gain enough control to do a low boost kit they should have enough of an understanding to eventually do high boost with injectors as well. If not, then they really don't have the control and capability necessary.

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    If they can do a high boost built engine setup I'm there MaxPsi is local to me.

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    Mike is Master fabricator. If the manifold needs to be beefend, he is the man on that as well. I see a new horizon of decent priced big power E46's hitting the streets

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    not apples to apples, but the m/s50/2 intakes can take at least 30psi

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    that clearly didnt deserve a neg so i gave you a positive, for whatever reason alot of that has been going on lately, in one thread i got a negative for posting what kind of sparkplugs i had on my car.
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    MaxPsi is local to me. So if they can do some gnarly stock DME magic for hpf2.5 car. I'm
    going to have to speak to mike. Also pretty sure I seen him post they can tune using ProEfi. After I fix some other things. I'll be looking into this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Funkboy316 Click here to enlarge
    that clearly didnt deserve a neg so i gave you a positive, for whatever reason alot of that has been going on lately, in one thread i got a negative for posting what kind of sparkplugs i had on my car.
    Some people are very passionate about plug brand loyalty.

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    Insulting people usually brings on the negs for no reason. Trust me I know!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    If they can do a high boost built engine setup I'm there MaxPsi is local to me.
    I think its time for you to do the switch. I may even help you out
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    i hope to have this as an option when i pick up an e46 m3, seems reasonable...just wanna see numbers first
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    Need some other things fixed first GG. Then I'll speak with mike.

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    I've seen those manifolds split from 8psi. It didn't explode but it cracked. And yes, I have seen those s52 manifolds hold a $#@! ton of boost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    I've seen those manifolds split from 8psi. It didn't explode but it cracked. And yes, I have seen those s52 manifolds hold a $#@! ton of boost.
    So the S54 manifold is thinner plastic or what?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    I think its time for you to do the switch. I may even help you out
    i might be missing something but why does he even need to switch? i don't see any reason not to enjoy the setup on the aem ems for a while to come, beef up the braking, suspension, dial in a good tire setup etc. once/if you get comfortable with pump meth on the current 2.5 setup then wouldn't it be better to 'switch' to pro-efi for the e85 and the slough of safety features the 128 offers rather than a stock DME tune which has none of those new features? or for twice the cost of a 128 he could get a 2.75 using his current exhaust system and convert his EMS to the pro-efi later on too.
    i can see from a tuner standpoint it is something to be very proud of (as it has not been done before) to have a turbo s54 tuned on the stock DME, but from a end user standpoint..... who cares?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    who cares?
    Fanboys.

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    Fanboys? You mean people who don't want non-automotive connectors falling out, 9v batteries storing their tunes/datalogs, ballast resistors, blah blah.... ? I think that's people who care about reliability and no BS, not just fanboys. Admit it, a factory ECU in an S54 tuned for turbo is worlds better. Truthfully, if you look at the specification of the stock ECU, you'd wonder why anyone would offer anything else... other than because they can't decrypt it. Its a seriously advanced ECU.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
    Fanboys? You mean people who don't want non-automotive connectors falling out, 9v batteries storing their tunes/datalogs, ballast resistors, blah blah.... ? I think that's people who care about reliability and no BS, not just fanboys. Admit it, a factory ECU in an S54 tuned for turbo is worlds better. Truthfully, if you look at the specification of the stock ECU, you'd wonder why anyone would offer anything else... other than because they can't decrypt it. Its a seriously advanced ECU.
    didn't hpf try initially to get it done on factory by bringing nick g in but fell apart due to some politics?
    we're all excited to finally see a turbo tuned on stock but anyone getting in the game this late is either standing on shoulders or playing catch up as far as hardware which is why i'm sitting back and just watching this unfold to see how i can incorporate the best of both worlds Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
    Fanboys? You mean people who don't want non-automotive connectors falling out, 9v batteries storing their tunes/datalogs, ballast resistors, blah blah.... ? I think that's people who care about reliability and no BS, not just fanboys. Admit it, a factory ECU in an S54 tuned for turbo is worlds better. Truthfully, if you look at the specification of the stock ECU, you'd wonder why anyone would offer anything else... other than because they can't decrypt it. Its a seriously advanced ECU.
    I think there is a certain element of fanboyism prevalent as there are a few.. well, fanboys, who think their way is the best way.

    Is a stock DME setup preferred? Yes, I think so, and ultimately if this comes to fruition it will be better and require a less complex setup to work right (and possibly work better).

    I don't need to admit it, I prefer factory DME tuning but I think most end users won't know or care as long as the car runs well and is reliable.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    didn't hpf try initially to get it done on factory by bringing nick g in but fell apart due to some politics?
    I guess I missed this, care to fill me in?

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    I think that stock DME tuning is absolutely the way to go, and I know its possible. Years ago Steve Dinan figured out how to run the stock DMEs in speed density with excellent results. His turbo 540 race car? Stock DME, ran up to 19psi of boost. If someone has figured this out for the aftermarket (his guys are focused on late-model cars and keeping them emissions-compliant) then its absolutely the way to go fro street-driven cars. When you want compliance and you're not in an environment where its going to be on heavy boost for long periods of time, there's just nothing that handles CELs and retains stock functions better than a reprogrammed stock ECU.

    There are drawbacks such as "tweakability" in the field or to individual apps, and how much control you get over stock functions and failsafes, but for many applications this can be overcome. Just look at the domestic ECU market; no one uses anything but re-flashed stock ECUs because they are so well hacked there is, for street cars, no reason to use anything else. They demonstrate the limits too; GM started their World Challenge program on stock ECUs as there was a rules advantage, but migrated to Bosch Motorsports because, even with their in-house resources, they found a limit where the 25-50lb weight penalty was worth it.

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