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    Kinetechnik Motorsport swaps an S85 V10 into an E46 M3 using factory DME

    Seems like these swaps are becoming more and more prevalent, eh? The difference now is in the quality of the swaps and this one would certainly qualify as quality. The S85 fits in the engine bay with no issues but the main thing is that the factory ECU is used. This means when a GT1 tool (BMW Group Tester One diagnostic and programming tool) is connected it reads the car as an E60 M5. No dyno numbers or further details from Kinetechnik who is located in Dubai in case you were wondering why you never heard of them.

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    this sounds amazing, but I have one question: how does this affect handling and weight distribution?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
    this sounds amazing, but I have one question: how does this affect handling and weight distribution?
    Well, the S54 is actually heavier than the S65 so it won't be too bad. Around an 80 pound penalty or so off the top of my head.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
    this sounds amazing, but I have one question: how does this affect handling and weight distribution?
    s85 weighs 530 pounds, s54 weighs (not 478), that's from bmw's brochure type things on each engine. I don't think a 50-60 pound difference would ruin the handling of the car, change it sure.
    edit whoops that was the s65 weight there, anyone have reliable s54 weight data? If youre right sticky then the 530 of the s85 assuming my 478 figure was right for the s65 puts the s54 under 4xx, in which case this thing would get pretty nose heavy

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well, the S54 is actually heavier than the S65 so it won't be too bad. Around an 80 pound penalty or so off the top of my head.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nickr519 Click here to enlarge
    s65? Click here to enlarge
    Yes, S54 is heavier than the S65 so the switch to the S85 won't even be that bad of a weight penalty in an E46.

    The S85 swap has been done in the E92 M3 and it didn't make a big difference so it should be even better in this application.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nickr519 Click here to enlarge
    s85 weighs 530 pounds, s54 weighs (not 478), that's from bmw's brochure type things on each engine. I don't think a 50-60 pound difference would ruin the handling of the car, change it sure.
    A supercharger adds a good 40 pounds or so. The weight won't be felt if it is placed well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nickr519 Click here to enlarge
    s85 weighs 530 pounds, s54 weighs (not 478), that's from bmw's brochure type things on each engine. I don't think a 50-60 pound difference would ruin the handling of the car, change it sure.
    edit whoops that was the s65 weight there, anyone have reliable s54 weight data? If youre right sticky then the 530 of the s85 assuming my 478 figure was right for the s65 puts the s54 under 4xx, in which case this thing would get pretty nose heavy
    From my S65 vs. S54 article:

    the S65 is 33 pounds lighter than the S54
    I posted the weights for both here somewhere, have to find it.

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    I think I need to start buying all the S85 engines I can find. Just fill up the garage.

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    this would be a dream swap... what kinda $$$ are we looking at for a swap like this?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
    this would be a dream swap... what kinda $$$ are we looking at for a swap like this?
    Well, not cheap. A used S85 will run you like $15k or so. Then labor, tuning, etc., easy $20k+.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    I think I need to start buying all the S85 engines I can find. Just fill up the garage.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well, not cheap. A used S85 will run you like $15k or so. Then labor, tuning, etc., easy $20k+.
    there's one on ebay for 7500 bucks... with ALL THREE oil pumps broken Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nickr519 Click here to enlarge
    there's one on ebay for 7500 bucks... with ALL THREE oil pumps broken Click here to enlarge
    Hmm, all three eh? Still, $7500 is a nice deal.

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    ^
    There is another one on ebay for $10,999, 35k miles on it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
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    There is another one on ebay for $10,999, 35k miles on it.
    Well there you go! Swap isn't as bad as it used to be.

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    if you want to invest money ,buy some S85 engines, in future people will kill each other for it.

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    The offset on the front wheels & tires looks all wrong to me. The swap is sweet though.

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    wish i had the extra money for an e46
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    The handling of this car is not dramatically affected, and in return of the added weight Ground Control custom made coils with a special spring rate.

    Videos will be up in a month when we get back to focusing on the E46 M3 LM, at the moment we just purchased a M5 with a 6spd and a E92...

    The swap is 95% complete with the 5% being the fit and finish (adjusting, carbon covers ect.) Custom CF intakes are being made here at KM's USA shop in Southern California and will be shipped shortly.

    Thanks for the post Click here to enlarge If any one has any questions feel free to PM me

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3cs1L Click here to enlarge
    The handling of this car is not dramatically affected, and in return of the added weight Ground Control custom made coils with a special spring rate.

    Videos will be up in a month when we get back to focusing on the E46 M3 LM, at the moment we just purchased a M5 with a 6spd and a E92...

    The swap is 95% complete with the 5% being the fit and finish (adjusting, carbon covers ect.) Custom CF intakes are being made here at KM's USA shop in Southern California and will be shipped shortly.

    Thanks for the post Click here to enlarge If any one has any questions feel free to PM me
    You represent Kinetechnik?

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    Any further details on how the swap was done and able to use the original DME. Was the E46 MSS54 or E60 MSS65 DME used?If the MSS65 DME was used, did they swap over the whole dash, guage cluster, and OBDII?

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    Any further details on how the swap was done and able to use the original DME. Was the E46 MSS54 or E60 MSS65 DME used?If the MSS65 DME was used, did they swap over the whole dash, guage cluster, and OBDII?
    We'd like to know too - the only way we found to control the motor with stock EMS is with the MSS65 DME with the entire electrical system swapped over, like the Hartge V10.

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    Awesome swap. I asked about it and friends from UAE said they have done overseas in europe. Wonder who does it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Apex Speed Technology Click here to enlarge
    We'd like to know too - the only way we found to control the motor with stock EMS is with the MSS65 DME with the entire electrical system swapped over, like the Hartge V10.

    -Neel
    When swapping over the whole electrical system, will this retain all the standard features of the E46 M3? Does it require having to swap the dash?

    Hmm, maybe we can discuss this in our string of emails. Click here to enlarge

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    Awesome swap. I asked about it and friends from UAE said they have done overseas in europe. Wonder who does it.
    Hey Ejaz, if you can find out further details that would be great!! I think I'm pretty set on leaving my E46 M3 and E90 M3 as they are with their current mods. Which ultimately means, I want to start planning an E46 M3 with an S85B50 swap and hopefully completing the project in a few years Click here to enlarge
    2002 E46 M3 6MT | Jet Black . Black Nappa | My GermanBoost Build Thread
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