Nex Gen F30 3 series may get 3 cylinder 150 horsepower turbo diesel

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Thank you DFBIU.

The ideal solution: Energy generated on site by geo-thermal, wind, solar, water, kinetic movement. This can be stored as electricity and then passed onto an electric car. In this sense it would be more "green", but you would still have to deal with creating the product and the waste left over when it is out of it's useful service life.

If you generate the electricity this way the best thing to do is to replace the coal firing CO2 emitting electricity production by using the electricity to decrease the consumption which automatically decreases the coal firing plant electricity generation, since the variable costs of it is the highest and it will be decreased the first. After you have used all the electricity to cover your electricity consumption you should seek ways to charge that to the network for others to use and replace coal firing electricity generation. Continue puting gas into your tank since looking at the big picture, internal combustion engine is very efficient.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Has anyone considered walking?

Yes, DBFIU and myself with different outcomes due to the existing choice of home location that in my case is more environmentally friendly

Originally Posted by 654

Coal firing power plants' efficiency is around 31%. Add electricity network losses and the fact that electric motors are below 100% efficiency as well, so looking at the whole chain the efficiency of a 3-cyl BMW diesel engine is way better than electric cars'.

Hydrogen is the worst of all since you need to first generate the electricty to produce hydrogen, so there are eve more losses accumulating along the way.

Exactly.


Basically electric cars are perfect for stopping harmful emissions. We just need a naturally generated electrical grid. I don't think the government puts enough thought into this....


Oh, and $#@! nuclear power. Yeah, let's bury giant containers of radioactive, ionizing waste underground that has a half-life of a million years, that's safe and green.

I want a nuclear powered car.

Fill up every 50 years!

Originally Posted by DBFIU

I want a nuclear powered car.

Fill up every 50 years!

Probably a lot of fun in accidents.

When I'm done with my car, I'm taking a break from BMW for a while.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Probably a lot of fun in accidents.

Instead of catching on fire from gasoline, youll just melt to death over the course of a few months due to radiation.

Lulz

Originally Posted by DBFIU

Instead of catching on fire from gasoline, youll just melt to death over the course of a few months due to radiation.

Lulz

Since it is ionizing it will actually stir up and mutate your DNA. Your cells will begin doing strange $#@!, such as rapid multiplication, attack the wrong/friendly cells, not self destruct, etc.

Cancer and tumors are fun. How about genetic birth defects for life?

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Cancer and tumors are fun. How about genetic birth defects for life?

$#@! yea! I've always wanted a pet octopus.

Originally Posted by Remonster

I wouldn't care if it had a lawnmower engine if it ends up looking like those renders, that's just absurdly good looking.

I agree here...those are solid renderings, and it's definitely a body style I'd be interested in, if I were going to go with a 3 series next time around, which I am likely not.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Wow, you read my mind. I was talking about bmw's direction with friends last week. I ended up saying BMW is becoming the Toyota of German car makers. They are building more and more different models, they continue to design smaller and smaller powerplants. Also it has become so easy to aquire a BMW, with the cheap leases. Everyone and their mom has a BMW.

BMW has made it clear that they are expanding into other avenues, and become more big business, but this shouldn't surprise anyone. Mercedes has been doing it for a while (although via different badges), and BMW needs to do it in order to compete in the other markets, where there is money to be made. They don't want to lose their chance at making that profit. The downside is they're doing it the wrong way, in diluting the brand.

Regarding seeing BMWs all over, I really think it depends on where you live. I know *I* see them all the time, but I live in a place that it sort of makes sense....and even still, my diesel is still 1 of a kind, even though I've seen about 10 others around here....nobody has one that looks like mine. I'll take that exclusivity all day long (and I *love* my car, not because of its exclusivity, but for the love of GOD it's fun to drive).

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

^ I've seen a 10 second Cummins dually diesel run in San Antonio. It's pretty crazy too see that much weight (7,000+lbs) and torque (1,200+ft-lbs) at work!

We have a 1/4th mile track here at Qualcomm that a 1k torque diesel truck runs on...kind of a waste if you ask me.

Originally Posted by HeroSina

overall i believe Hydrogen is the future ,not lame hybrids or dirty ass diesel. Electric are so $#@! so i don't say anything about them

That really depends on what you expect to get out of it. Dirty ass diesels? Those types of comments make me really want to smack you, just because you obviously don't know anything about current generation diesels (not just from BMW, but other manufacturers as well).

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Exactly.


Basically electric cars are perfect for stopping harmful emissions. We just need a naturally generated electrical grid. I don't think the government puts enough thought into this....


Oh, and $#@! nuclear power. Yeah, let's bury giant containers of radioactive, ionizing waste underground that has a half-life of a million years, that's safe and green.

Electric cars may stop harmful emissions, but up until recently, they were 100x more toxic to the environment, due to what it it required just to make the batteries (and then there's the disposal due to the short lifespan). For example, only with the 3rd generation Prius did Toyota finally figure out a better way to manufacture, and make more efficient, the batteries that power the Prius.

The Jetta TDI sells like hotcakes...I see them all the time. There is no reason for BMW not to bring over a 150hp diesel to compete, and I have a strong belief that it will sell well. There are some definite pluses for it becoming an econo-car, and that won't take away from those people who still want their turbos and their gas engines (or their turbo diesels, for that matter), or their M's.

BMW is positioning themselves here to make a pretty smart business move, just later than they probably should have. Keep your eyes out, and watch the #'s.

Originally Posted by Ronin

BMW has made it clear that they are expanding into other avenues, and become more big business, but this shouldn't surprise anyone. Mercedes has been doing it for a while (although via different badges), and BMW needs to do it in order to compete in the other markets, where there is money to be made. They don't want to lose their chance at making that profit. The downside is they're doing it the wrong way, in diluting the brand.

This is the key, brand dilution and taking it downscale.

The BMW brand has been diluted, the M brand, and now they are going to do some FWD city car abortion. It's over, BMW is now Toyota.

I've said this many times, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Well, as a whole 'ourselves' means all the 16 year old jessicas that want daddy to buy them a BMW. So daddy goes out and buys them an X3 because jessicas friend katie has mommies Audi.

Demand is what drives a market, it is never the other way around.

We have become the society of 'gimme it right now, I want a cheap BMW land barge SUV' so, BMW has no choice but to answer by producing what the consumer wants. If the consumer wanted BMW to make toilets they would do that too, damn, right about now I would rather have a BMW toilet than a FWD failcar.

Man, I would love it if someone could give me some rep points. Apparently you can't view certain threads on this website unless you have 10 rep points, but, you also can't help other people get rep points until you have at least 100 rep points. Let's think, if everyone on here starts with 0 rep points, how would anyone ever get rep points?

Originally Posted by us23686

Man, I would love it if someone could give me some rep points. Apparently you can't view certain threads on this website unless you have 10 rep points, but, you also can't help other people get rep points until you have at least 100 rep points. Let's think, if everyone on here starts with 0 rep points, how would anyone ever get rep points?

Are you going to say this everywhere? You are going to lose rep points now.

Originally Posted by HeroSina

please don't tell me i know nothing about diesel , because my job is all about diesel

Your response in this thread indicates otherwise. If you work with the fuel itself, that may mean you know how dirty it can be in raw form, and even post processed, but that doesn't make you an expert in how current gen sedans/coupes/whathaveyou that make diesel vehicles cleaner than any pure gas car as far as bi-products go. I'll express my opinion if you provide nothing to back yours up, because making a statement such as 'dirty ass diesels' tells me either you don't know jack about your job, or your job has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and you made a thick-headed statement because you work with the fuel in some capacity.

Either way, I'm not impressed, and would appreciate you either qualifying your statement a bit more clearly, explain to us what it is you do for a living (if you posted it, I don't recall seeing it, and I'm not going to go searching for it) that makes you an expert (since you've self-qualified yourself), or try to make yourself a bit more educated about the discussion at hand.

Amigos, unfortunately the POLITICIANS rule this world and have jumped on the GREEN bandwagon. My ex-girlfriend was BRAINWASHED with the PRIUS bull$#@! that she would swear by it. The dumb biatch didnt even know how the car worked LOL. Anyway, I decided to go test drive the 335d in Orlando while on business trip and DAMN was I convinced that I sold my 02 MCS so that I can have the F*&@! $12,900.00 for taxes F-me. The moral to this is live life as you want it, cause you dont know when you're going to check out anyway!! F'em if you cant joke, joke them if you cant F'em, F'em anyway. Adios amigos

At DBFIU look at a prime EXAMPLE, China, cars are been diverted and exclusively redirectd to them because of the demand i.e. an M3 sells for $50k and in CHINA sells for $150K, guess where BMW and other companies will go for sales?

@ Sorena, we have TOTAL here in the island, just because you have dealt withing your business does not make ANYONE is an expert. I respect your position and commend you in it. Therefore WE ALL "cant't just get along", wasn't that was said by the guy who had his head BASHED IN , in California. LOL