New overall 60-130 record achieved by Mikewads for the E92/E9X M3 - 6.23

Common everyone.... *Group Hug* lmao.

I thought Mike's 1/4 times were with the a different pulley, the 535 or 575 setup. That boost looks standard for a 600 car, though too.

In all fairness, with a VBOX, these 60-130 times assuming verified; hold as much credit in my view...and are suceptible to the same variables as the 1/4...with traction being "less" of an issue. This isn't like back in the day when people would throw in GTech times for comparison, lol. Granted 1100 ft elevation isn't huge it would also have some sort of effect on the car's output. SC cars can't compensate like Turbo cars, but like Sticky said.. We don't have a way of calculating it. My guess is it would actually be very close to the effects seen on an NA car because similarly, the pressure being atmospheric(NA) or 7psi is a constant in the equation.

I think it's worth mentioning that the Gintani cars will have a greater benefit from the Meth as the weather gets warmer...so this colder weather is somewhat of a equalizer as it pertains to Meth advantage.

And for the record, it IS an off-the-shelf standard VT2-600 Kit with the 95mm standard pulley - which is EXTREMELY impressive. Sticky you keep saying its not a standard kit and all this $#@!, meanwhile the only thing different is the nitrous set-up.

Originally Posted by Mikewads

I know when I first got the M3 there was a lot of DCT hate'n going on, but I believe most people have now seen the light when it comes to all out performance





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The only trans I would get with the new m3.

Originally Posted by M33

I'm ordering drag radials this coming week to see what numbers me and IMG can pull...
Sick pulls Mike !!!

That will be great! What brand and size tire are your getting?

Originally Posted by img

Nice work Mike, Congrats!!!

Originally Posted by Sticky

It is not like 60-130's are written in stone, they change based on conditions, traction, weight, etc.

Just like 1/4 mile times do.

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Great times Mike, it must be a great feeling setting records and being pulled into your seat like that!

I wish I could give more people rides in it. Very smooth once the car gets rolling.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Absolutely, you think Drew runs 7.0x every single time he runs? It is a game of getting the best run in the best conditions in the best weather. It shows the capability in a limited window that is now going to be used as a reference like an absolute.

I went out and made 2 more passes this morning. It went 6.82 and 6.79, so I would say that is consistant. Once it warms up I will slow down, but that's a given. Here is the 6.79 chart from this morning:

Originally Posted by BASELINE

I thought Mike's 1/4 times were with the a different pulley, the 535 or 575 setup. That boost looks standard for a 600 car, though too.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Gintani cars will have a greater benefit from the Meth as the weather gets warmer...so this colder weather is somewhat of a equalizer as it pertains to Meth advantage.

You are correct. I was running the lower boost (6.5 psi) pulley when I went to the dragstrip. Also, I agree with you concerning the meth in the summer heat being much more effective.

Originally Posted by ERM324

And for the record, it IS an off-the-shelf standard VT2-600 Kit with the 95mm standard pulley - which is EXTREMELY impressive. Sticky you keep saying its not a standard kit and all this $#@!, meanwhile the only thing different is the nitrous set-up.

All of the hardware on my car comes from the standard VT2-600 kit.

congrats! DCT FTW!

Great job Mike Running 7-7.5 psi on pump gas and producing the times you do prove that you really got the hang of doing these runs down and the ESS kit makes great power.

As for the continued Sticky bashing ESS this thread is another example of how he continues to try and discount the performance of their products. Along with Jon Martin I think the two of you are on Gintani / OE tunings payoll or something. I find it funny how when Drew posted his 7 sec 60-130 the two of you posting nothing but praise and not one question was asked about the boost he ran and 60-130 times all of a sudden became the benchmark for how good a supercharger is. Now that an ESS car breaks his record you start trying to lay seeds of doubt by questioning the owner about his boost and saying you dont believe it even when he clearly has a boost gauge setup in the video, something Drew never did. You also now try to downplay 60-130 times LOL. I understand that this site is sponsored by Gintani and Sticky you are sponsored by them as they do all the work on your "still not running" car but try to be a little less obvious with your bias to your sponsors.

Originally Posted by MSIZZLE

There are gintani cars all over the place now and they have the same opportunity to run in cool temps and run with DR and im sure they have tried.

I don't think any gintani has run 60-130 on drag radials. Most gintani SC owners are in SoCal, so it will difficult to find 27 degree weather to run in. But the meth should help equalize that.

Looking forward to faster times by all SC M3's, this is getting good.

Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD

Drew, time to go get some Drags tires and run! come on baby!!!

I thought that Drews times/runs were on DR and race gas ??

Originally Posted by ERM324

And for the record, it IS an off-the-shelf standard VT2-600 Kit with the 95mm standard pulley - which is EXTREMELY impressive. Sticky you keep saying its not a standard kit and all this $#@!, meanwhile the only thing different is the nitrous set-up.

Uh, he has run pulleys that were not standard. I do not know which one was being run.

Originally Posted by Mikewads

Just like 1/4 mile times do.

Exactly. Only difference is we has a longer established history correcting 1/4 mile times.

Originally Posted by Mikewads

I went out and made 2 more passes this morning. It went 6.82 and 6.79, so I would say that is consistant. Once it warms up I will slow down, but that's a given. Here is the 6.79 chart from this morning:

I would say so too, and definitely, it will slow down in warmer weather and we all understand why.

Originally Posted by ZR1638

As for the continued Sticky bashing ESS this thread is another example of how he continues to try and discount the performance of their products.

No one bashed anyone, what are you babbling about? Please stop with your nonsense or at least show an example of bashing going on. Last I checked every single time Mikewads has posted his data I have been receptive, supportive, and more than enthusiastic in sharing the great results. How do I discount it by putting it up as the main story? Huh?

Originally Posted by ZR1638

I understand that this site is sponsored by Gintani and Sticky you are sponsored by them as they do all the work on your "still not running" car but try to be a little less obvious with your bias to your sponsors.

Why don't you try and make a point that involves something more than baseless assertions that are not supported by the posts in the thread whatsoever? I'm not sponsored by anyone, I pay a lot of money for the work done.

If you think bias is me stating 60-130 times are susceptible to factors like 1/4 mile times are and that meth indeed does allow higher performance, you have bias.

Mike,

What drag radials were you running on the rear? Also what size?

Originally Posted by ZR1638

Great job Mike Running 7-7.5 psi on pump gas and producing the times you do prove that you really got the hang of doing these runs down and the ESS kit makes great power.

As for the continued Sticky bashing ESS this thread is another example of how he continues to try and discount the performance of their products. Along with Jon Martin I think the two of you are on Gintani / OE tunings payoll or something. I find it funny how when Drew posted his 7 sec 60-130 the two of you posting nothing but praise and not one question was asked about the boost he ran and 60-130 times all of a sudden became the benchmark for how good a supercharger is. Now that an ESS car breaks his record you start trying to lay seeds of doubt by questioning the owner about his boost and saying you dont believe it even when he clearly has a boost gauge setup in the video, something Drew never did. You also now try to downplay 60-130 times LOL. I understand that this site is sponsored by Gintani and Sticky you are sponsored by them as they do all the work on your "still not running" car but try to be a little less obvious with your bias to your sponsors.

Ok smart ass then explain the large differences between mikes times and cars with similar ess setups? besides the "weather"

Originally Posted by JonMartin

Ok smart ass then explain the large differences between mikes times and cars with similar ess setups? besides the "weather"

Which ESS DCT vBox times with similar ESS setups are you talking about? Please give links to exact cars, owners, kits, and vBox results. I analyzed the dyno results a LONG time ago and demonstrated that these kits were the most efficient, and I said the only thing keeping in the way of proving it was an ESS owner with a VBox. Now you've got an ESS owner with a VBox, and I'm seeing the proof that I predicted a while ago. So again Jon, exactly which people are you talking about, and can you provide any links to back up what you say?

And furthermore, do you have any idea how much or how little the weather even affects these results? Has anybody here even done that analysis to see if the talking points and "explanation" even holds up to actual data? If you want, I'll do it for you in a few minutes and post how much or how little the weather affects the results. I doubt it's anything like you and Sticky even make it sound to be.

Jon, I don't think there is a ton of data from the ESS guys. I know that's unfortunate in itself, but for what it's worth I think IMG ran mid upper 7s with a similar kit, warmer weather, and a 6sp.

Again, all cars are going to run a bit different even given exact same mods, right? There is always a deviation even in stock cars. But you know all this.

I think Mike's times deserve the respect and consideration. It would be great if Drew or other Ginani cars posted up some good times, cause in all fairness we dont have many other Gintani Stg2+ numbers other than Drews.

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

I analyzed the dyno results a LONG time ago and demonstrated that these kits were the most efficient

Your analysis was flawed, biased, and disproved rather easily: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...i-Stg-2-Kit-is

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Now you've got an ESS owner with a VBox, and I'm seeing the proof that I predicted a while ago. So again Jon, exactly which people are you talking about, and can you provide any links to back up what you say?

Please put down the kool-aid, there have been several examples of Vbox results with ESS kits, including your own. You act like this is the only run in history, it isn't.

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

I doubt it's anything like you and Sticky even make it sound to be.

Right, a coincidence better numbers show up in the winter? Coincidence density altitude affects numbers? Robert, please stop acting like an authority figure or that your "calculations" are something we should put stock in. The weather affects the numbers, significantly, and allows record breaking results like what we just witnessed.

You have to remember "large difference" is an opinion and could be different who you are talking to.

To Sticky, going from 6.8s to 7.1s might be a large difference.

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

To Sticky, going from 6.8s to 7.1s might be a large difference.

Well for me it is a change that clearly reflects the different weather conditions.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Your analysis was flawed, biased, and disproved rather easily: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...i-Stg-2-Kit-is

Actually, my analysis was not flawed, not biased, and has held up to the actual data exactly as I predicted it would. My analysis only used bonafide before/after dyno runs on the same dyno, using the same gas. Or in the one case that I couldn't use the same exact dyno, I spent my own money and took my own car to both dyno's one day apart, using the same gas, and proved that they gave me the same results (within 1-2whp) as each other. That step was necessary to prove both dyno's "read" the same. The article you just linked depended on a "new baseline" for Drew's car that was never published anywhere before. It had absolutely no provenance. That dyno was never posted anywhere and there's no proof that it's even Drew's car. Drew posted many dyno charts thoughout the entire development of his car, and I do not believe or find it remotely credible that after I posted my analsys if supercharger efficiency, that Drew pulls out a completely new dyno chart from a dyno shop he had never used during his published development and says "whoops, I just found this -- this is my real baseline, not the ones I posted on all of the car forums for the past 6 months." Joseph if you believe that story, and if you believe that one dyno debunks all of the fair, honest, and hard work I did to make sure everything was apples-to-apples, then that's your choice. But I never believed it, and I still don't. The evidence has always been there and continues to mount up in my favor just as I knew it would.

Please put down the kool-aid, there have been several examples of Vbox results with ESS kits, including your own. You act like this is the only run in history, it isn't.

Links to those runs please. No apples-to-oranges comparisons that you like so much. No 6MT vs. DCT runs. No stroker vs non-stroker runs. Just pure apples-to-apples comparison of VT2-600 kit, DCT, pump gas. Show me the links to those runs because I don't think they exist.

Right, a coincidence better numbers show up in the winter? Coincidence density altitude affects numbers? Robert, please stop acting like an authority figure or that your "calculations" are something we should put stock in. The weather affects the numbers, significantly, and allows record breaking results like what we just witnessed.

You live by the Drag Times DA calculator. Have you tried running these numbers through and seen the results? I have. 2500ft DA difference only makes 0.052 seconds difference.

I don't think the weather difference is nearly as large as Sticky is making it out to be. The Drag times calculator can be used to adjust 60-130's, just as it can be used to adjust 1/4 mile times -- because all it does is calculate the effects of atmospheric condition and apply them to a drag race run. If you use the 60-130 ET instead of the drag ET, the results it calculates are just as valid. So let's take Mike's (near) actual conditions from this morning in Georgia and apply them to what I know about Drew's runs in Camarillo and what he would have accomplished in California on the actual day he ran it.
Georgia:
Today (December 27, 2010) 6:53 AM27 degrees F, 66% Humidity, 30.17 inches of mercury (pressure), Altitude from vBox run 284ft = -2058ft. Mike's 6.79s time gets adjusted to 6.853 seconds.

California:
August 14th, 2010, same day, and near same conditions Drew says he used in Camarillo, CA farmland during his run. 62 degrees F, 70% Humidity, 29.82 inches of mercury (pressure), Altutude from vBox run -80ft: DA = +390ft. Drew's 7.06s time gets adjusted to 7.071 seconds.

Now, I'm actually being generous here because I know Mike ran in warmer weather today than I used above. So to put that all into perspective. The delta's created from the different weather conditions is only 0.052 seconds, not the nearly 0.3 seconds some people are hoping for (0.27 seconds -- to be exact).

So let's put that into perspective. Even with nearly 2500 ft DA difference, the Drag Times calculator only adjust it down to 0.052 seconds difference. So the weather is not causing the difference that anybody was hoping it would. Mike ran a 6.5 PSI pully (according to Ilia@IND), which he generously calls 7.0 PSI due to his boost gauge. He ran 93 octane pump gas. Drew ran 9.5 PSI, pump gas+meth in 2500ft DA worse conditions. Those worse conditions only account for 0.052 seconds difference according to the drag times calculator. That's the hard, cold reality of the numbers, and it's not what Sticky and Jon where hoping for.