APR Stage IV GT28 turbo upgraded GTI takes on and walks away from a JB4 tuned BMW135i

The vw would get smoked if the 135 had meth, dps and Iso

Originally Posted by Irishace

The vw would get smoked if the 135 had meth, dps and Iso

I'm not sure but we'll see soon.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Sometimes I feel like nobody actually reads the site


http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...n-the-1-4-mile

Sorryyy, i tend to either o straight to the bb forums or sometimes check the bb front page.. I should visit the other pages too as i likr any and all awesomeness..

Originally Posted by Sticky

Think about a 24v with more displacement and a bigger turbo.

Aren't the biggest 12v's only 3.1 or 3.2l bored and stroked and pushing it? Where the 24v's are 3.2 and 3.6+?

Originally Posted by Flinchy

Aren't the biggest 12v's only 3.1 or 3.2l bored and stroked and pushing it? Where the 24v's are 3.2 and 3.6+?

You're probably right. I was just saying think of how much could be had with a VR6 setup.

I would have loved to give a tuned 135i a run in my k04 gti before i started parting it out ...my buddy just put an ap and dp's on after i started parting out, he made 360whp and 421wtq on the same dyno i made 329whp and 340wtq 2 weeks before

APR has posted this vid on their facebook page LOL. I went ahead and posted the vid of my 335i smashing the same GTI for them

That GTI is one hell of a sleeper. How bad is the torque steer?

I haven't driven it but he's never complained about torque steer so it shouldn't be that bad but I'll ask him.

Originally Posted by clongo

That GTI is one hell of a sleeper. How bad is the torque steer?

umm majority of FWD cars... have EQUAL LENGTH HALF SHAFTS. Just about ALL modern ones as well. If you got torque steer it's probably in your head or in your excitement

IE: you don't know what it is nor are you experiencing it lol (with 450+ wtq in a 2800 lb car on 26inch x 8.5inch DR's..no torque steer lol)

I'm not sure the just because a car has equal length half shafts torque steer is eliminated. My wife had an 06 Nissan Altima SE-R and that thing would rip the wheel out of your hand. There have been many reviews provided by car experts on cars such as the Focus RS and other FWD cars complaining of torque steer. I don't think it's in anyone's head.

Originally Posted by lvlemphiz

umm majority of FWD cars... have EQUAL LENGTH HALF SHAFTS. Just about ALL modern ones as well. If you got torque steer it's probably in your head or in your excitement

IE: you don't know what it is nor are you experiencing it lol (with 450+ wtq in a 2800 lb car on 26inch x 8.5inch DR's..no torque steer lol)

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

APR has posted this vid on their facebook page LOL. I went ahead and posted the vid of my 335i smashing the same GTI for them

Next time include a watermark

I'll have to figure out how to do that next time haha

Originally Posted by Sticky

Next time include a watermark

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

APR has posted this vid on their facebook page LOL. I went ahead and posted the vid of my 335i smashing the same GTI for them

Haha, priceless.

Originally Posted by lvlemphiz

umm majority of FWD cars... have EQUAL LENGTH HALF SHAFTS. Just about ALL modern ones as well. If you got torque steer it's probably in your head or in your excitement

IE: you don't know what it is nor are you experiencing it lol (with 450+ wtq in a 2800 lb car on 26inch x 8.5inch DR's..no torque steer lol)

while my car is putting down no where near any decent numbers, I must say I have 0 torque steer.

However, I hear the mazdaspeed3 have notoriously terrible torque steer.

Perhaps @fastgti69 can chime in with his experience with his cobalt SS.

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

I'm not sure the just because a car has equal length half shafts torque steer is eliminated. My wife had an 06 Nissan Altima SE-R and that thing would rip the wheel out of your hand. There have been many reviews provided by car experts on cars such as the Focus RS and other FWD cars complaining of torque steer. I don't think it's in anyone's head.

100% not torque steer...there are cars that limit power to certain wheels (Caliber) and can cause that feeling...but it's not normally induced (mechanically). If the car is ripping the wheels out your hand you have other issues in your suspension (see blown LCA bushings, mounts etc...even alignment). UNEVEN PAVEMENT can cause this feeling too...it's not from the car but from the tire riding the crown of the road

It's like the people that think they experience forms of compressor surge...half the time that's not what they are hearing

The WHOLE ADVENT of incorporating equal length half shafts in FWD cars is PRIMARILY TO ELIMINATE TORQUE STEER (do yourself a favor and look up that advance in FWD suspension)

We'll have to agree to disagree then because the rest of America is calling it torque steer and you are the first person I've ever heard of say that torque steer DOES NOT EXIST IN MODERN FWD CARS. I don't really care enough about the topic to research it. My wife's SE-R did it brand new so i know it wasn't blown bushings or suspension issues.

Originally Posted by lvlemphiz

100% not torque steer...there are cars that limit power to certain wheels (Caliber) and can cause that feeling...but it's not normally induced (mechanically). If the car is ripping the wheels out your hand you have other issues in your suspension (see blown LCA bushings, mounts etc...even alignment). UNEVEN PAVEMENT can cause this feeling too...it's not from the car but from the tire riding the crown of the road

It's like the people that think they experience forms of compressor surge...half the time that's not what they are hearing

The WHOLE ADVENT of incorporating equal length half shafts in FWD cars is PRIMARILY TO ELIMINATE TORQUE STEER (do yourself a favor and look up that advance in FWD suspension)

"Because torque steer is caused by, well, torque, limiting engine output until the accelerating vehicle gets its legs under itself also works. This is the technique used by Mazda in the Mazdaspeed3. Boost from the 2.3-liter engine's turbocharger is limited in first and second gear, reducing the normally 280 available pound-feet of torque to a level that's a bit more manageable. Even with this "Advanced Torque Management" system doing its thing, the 'Speed3 still exhibited a noticeable level of torque steer during our testing."

Just saying....

Many people experience torque steer. From 5 minutes of reading on google searches, torque steer is caused by MANY reasons, one of them being unequal length half shafts. Not all though.

Ok man just look up what actually happens during traditional tq steer and why an intermediate shaft exists. As a mechanical engineer I actually understand and have formally learned about suspension geometry...motor trends review of the mazda doesnt interest me

Don't want to take this thread off topic, but I was summoned here lol. I don't know what planet you live on. Torque steer exists 100%. Since I upgraded my turbo, I've had to hold my wheel 3 times harder to make sure it doesn't move side to side. My arms get tired as $#@! now. You can even see in one of my videos me vs the C6 vette. In the first race when I start pulling if you look closely my car you can see it move side to side. I won't forget that moment that night. Plus, I have equal axle shafts. Left and right are the same exact part, makes no difference. 435wtq in a 2900 lbs in case you were wondering what I have @lvlemphiz

Time to hit the gym my friend... I make more in a lighter car...on a big tire and sorry I don't relate

Does anyone know what actually happens to an axle during true torque steer based on a FWD suspension geometry? Torque steer can also be experienced through other effects...tires, road, unequal traction forces etc.

These are NOT specific to a FWD suspension and therefore talking about torque steer in your FWD car JUST BECAUSE IT IS FWD is BACKWARDS and fully NOT understanding all the facets of this topic

I HATE Wiki as much as the next person...but for the love of god...read it (the basics are there)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_steering