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    • ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).


      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        570whp is what the owner of the M told me. I also have him on the video(another vid) while he says the specs...
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?

        He probably dyno it on a Dynopack, Click here to enlarge or some super-hero dyno of that nature. If the kit made 570whp Roman would be the first person to preach it!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m3816 Click here to enlarge
        If the kit made 570whp Roman would be the first person to preach it!
        That's actually exactly what he preaches. Claims of 600+ whp too...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        50 HP Max​ Drivetrain Loss on ESS Kits
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?
        He dynoed it, but I dont know which dyno it was.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        He dynoed it, but I dont know which dyno it was.
        Love to see his graph.
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Torque... That LS has boat loads of it from most every rpm especially down low. The M3 while efficient does not have the Tq to move it down low. DCT helps it not get destroyed and you can clearly see the nose lift on each run on the M3 he is WOT even jumps a slight bit. But tq moves you and that's a great display in what tq does for a car. HP is nice for damn sure but Tq down low and in the mid range is hard to beat. Great run and the M looks the business. Feels local for some reason.

        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        can we get 60-130 times out of the nissan gang? I cant race any of them until july when waterfest takes place in NJ but im down for some competition!
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality

        Hahaha was that you started that thread??? I've posted in it a few times, most recently how someone said it must be a lower kit like the 535. Responded w/ that video of you vs. the 600 and there no real difference until 120+
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Hahaha was that you started that thread??? I've posted in it a few times, most recently how someone said it must be a lower kit like the 535. Responded w/ that video of you vs. the 600 and there no real difference until 120+
        no, i thought it was erm?

        no real difference at all from a roll really Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        no, i thought it was erm?

        no real difference at all from a roll really Click here to enlarge

        Who cares, I've never seen so many excuses -- "The M3 doesn't have an S/C", "it's not a 625 kit", "the Camaro's using spray", BLAH BLAH BLAH.
      1. DCTM3's Avatar
        DCTM3 -
        Im running a similar set up but down about 20 hp and had no problem with one SS then raced a friends and it hung pretty well, i was shocked. The TQ gets the weight moving pretty good but the top end on the M3 takes a little back in each gear.
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
        Maro has stock displacement,6.2L. It is a LS3 engine. Ls2 has the 6.0L

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality
        Any link?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
        More often than not it is the case. In terms of the EVO while its a 4cyl motor its got an incredible tq band and with 450whp they go damn well. If the EVO is anywhere near its boost curve its gonna be a problem. When done correctly it has very little in the way of lag.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        Any link?
        http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784815
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        OMG these guys are just dumb... No clue about tq curves or for that matter what the Maro weighs. I'm no Maro fan but the weight difference is not that damn big bigger still maybe the M is just slow. They got him on the bottle, on DR's and quoting Grand Am announcers about the cars large frontal area for aero. They say its got forged internals LOL, do they not know it doesnt make you more power by itself or that in many cases its heavier rotating pieces thus taking more power to spin. Gotta love fan boys

        The phrase any given Sunday comes to mind
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        lol....talk about butt hurt....did zim actually say that M3 wasnt supercharged?!.....lol
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Cannot wait to see the amount of $#@! that I create by responding to erm about LM's 535 vs the 600
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I think its a bit naive is all... I cant claim to know all about all cars as some people around here do. I stick to what I know and have experienced/witnessed. However these dudes really seem to believe a FI M3 is unbeatable. Here's my question when ESS says its a 600 kit, is that mean to be crank or who?