Trouble in paradise? Vishnu/FFtec N54 335ii Single Turbo kits experiencing issues as a BimmerBoost member runs 12.5@121 with misfires and having to short shift

Originally Posted by ChuckD05

Carl Morris should be deemed the savior as he said it before anyone else did in here

If we are getting this picky, tmo335tt texted me and the other guy the idea about the flywheel before any of this started being discussed.

i'm certainly no Shiv fanboi but in his defense the buyers were lined up for this kit before it was even complete. I'm sure the first few AT guys knew that shiv's shop car was a 6MT and that NO R&D had ever been done on an AT. You have to know that when you buy the first of something especially when it first comes out. Bugs will have to get worked out and that's a risk you take when you can't wait and have to be first to have it.

Originally Posted by JStang

So you're telling me that if you paid $10k for this kit that was sold and marketed as a complete, perfectly functioning kit you wouldn't be in the least bit pissed about it? What about if you owned an AT (we all know your stance on AT) and your car didn't shift properly from 4th to 5th because the proper R&D wasn't performed. Would that make you mad? I for one, would be pissed.

If the problem is, in fact, the flywheel, then I can't say that I am mad. Every other single they have done was a SMFW. Nobody really suspected the DMFW would be a problem, as evidenced by the comments here, so I can't say they "should've known". I don't think any tuner, regardless of who, would have discovered this through R&D if they were running a SMFW. Now if it is not the solution, then you better damn well believe I'll be pissed off again.

I can't comment for the ATs. That seems to be a different situation.

Originally Posted by JStang

So you're telling me that if you paid $10k for this kit that was sold and marketed as a complete, perfectly functioning kit you wouldn't be in the least bit pissed about it? What about if you owned an AT (we all know your stance on AT) and your car didn't shift properly from 4th to 5th because the proper R&D wasn't performed. Would that make you mad? I for one, would be pissed.

If I were buying a turbo kit - and I am #2 on the beta list for the vargas stage 2's - but say I was buying vargas stage 3's or the single turbo kit, basically something making a massive amount of power... No I 100% would not be upset at the company selling the TURBO kit that my FLYWHEEL I previously bought had an issue at much higher power levels. That has nothing to do with R&D of the TURBO kit.

Originally Posted by JStang

So you're telling me that if you paid $10k for this kit that was sold and marketed as a complete, perfectly functioning kit you wouldn't be in the least bit pissed about it? What about if you owned an AT (we all know your stance on AT) and your car didn't shift properly from 4th to 5th because the proper R&D wasn't performed. Would that make you mad? I for one, would be pissed.

No, because this is a problem that plagues more than just ST owners, it is just something that has been spun as something to further the agendas of some people. I have misfires under these same circumstances. I have stock turbos. And a DMFW. If this is the fix, I will have been helped out quite a bit, and I do not have a ST car, or even RBs. IMHO, this is about as reasonable to get upset about as the DMFWs spinning in and of themselves. It's a problem with the car, not the kit.

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

i'm certainly no Shiv fanboi but in his defense the buyers were lined up for this kit before it was even complete. I'm sure the first few AT guys knew that shiv's shop car was a 6MT and that NO R&D had ever been done on an AT. You have to know that when you buy the first of something especially when it first comes out. Bugs will have to get worked out and that's a risk you take when you can't wait and have to be first to have it.

There is no defense as a number of us were banned from E90 for asking very specific questions about the suitability of the kit with stock drive train parts. Shiv said no problem with stock parts & I was just being a troll & trouble maker for bringing it up. He whined to the site owner & I was instantly banned & all posts deleted as happened to a number of other people. He had no interest in getting into areas that might raise the overall price of adding his single turbo. So much for the accuracy of his original claims.

Originally Posted by ChuckD05

Carl Morris should be deemed the savior as he said it before anyone else did in here

exactly

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

There is no defense as a number of us were banned from E90 for asking very specific questions about the suitability of the kit with stock drive train parts. Shiv said no problem with stock parts & I was just being a troll & trouble maker for bringing it up. He whined to the site owner & I was instantly banned & all posts deleted as happened to a number of other people. He had no interest in getting into areas that might raise the overall price of adding his single turbo. So much for the accuracy of his original claims.

That's $#@! behavior.

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

There is no defense as a number of us were banned from E90 for asking very specific questions about the suitability of the kit with stock drive train parts. Shiv said no problem with stock parts & I was just being a troll & trouble maker for bringing it up. He whined to the site owner & I was instantly banned & all posts deleted as happened to a number of other people. He had no interest in getting into areas that might raise the overall price of adding his single turbo. So much for the accuracy of his original claims.

That is an excellent point, although very typical and not surprising.

Originally Posted by ChuckD05

Carl Morris should be deemed the savior as he said it before anyone else did in here

Uhhh...hrrrm. I was just speculating/educated guessing. As far as I can tell they have been working on this for a while. What I find interesting is that it would appear they had no intention of talking about it publicly but perhaps changed their minds when I got close?

Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks

I drove a customer car with the twin disk FX850 in it and I really really didn't like it. I don't know if it was install related but the thing was engaging maybe 1-1.5" off the top of the clutch pedal travel. The shop that did the install on his car also installed his UUC SSK and didn't do it right (it was backwards ) so anything is possible. At this moment I'm not sure if I can personally recommend the FX850 as much as I can the SPEC Stage2+ and 3+ (even with their aluminum flywheel) as I've heard and driven those as well on "this" particular car. One thing to keep in mind is clutch setups can behave differently on different platforms so comparing a twin disk on another car to this car can be apples to oranges.

If I do get to personally try another twin disk CM FX-850 and it behaves a bit better (clutch pedal travel mostly) I'll definitely look into talking to CM and possibly carrying this clutch as well along side SPEC. I'm sticking to recommending and carrying ONLY parts that are WELL known to perform on this platform and have been tested significantly both on on the road and drag strip and/or road courses. This way proper recommendations for the type of driving can be made and people don't need to guess when making their choices out there. We simply won't just put up anything and everything on the website just so we have them available, not what we do...

I actually can't recommend the FX850. It took a long time to break in, and unless you can shift with your toes it's impossible to drive in stop-and-go traffic. The car just launches every time. As far as driveability on the street is concerned it's total dog meat, loud and stiff.

That being said, once you are moving on a road course it's pure sex. BAM! torque shock all the way to the rear. You know that sucker is going to engage. I love it, but I can't recommend it to everyone.

Come try it sometime if you are in the Bay.

Originally Posted by CaptainInsano

I actually can't recommend the FX850. It took a long time to break in, and unless you can shift with your toes it's impossible to drive in stop-and-go traffic. The car just launches every time. As far as driveability on the street is concerned it's total dog meat, loud and stiff.

That being said, once you are moving on a road course it's pure sex. BAM! torque shock all the way to the rear. You know that sucker is going to engage. I love it, but I can't recommend it to everyone.

Come try it sometime if you are in the Bay.

That's exactly the feeling I got driving it up here...

and thanks for the invite! Never been there, would love to visit, say hi to Shiv and all

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

A DMFW is something completely different and will behave differently based upon applied torque and RPM. Both elements are coupled to something heavy and metal. What happens to the coupling mechanism (springs) and it's effect of the two masses that are spinning semi-dependantly with each other, and the effect this racket has on the toothed wheel as it passes the magnetic pick-up is the real question here.

shiv

Magnetic pickup? CPS is hall effect not magnetic which is part of the reason why vibrations there don't matter as much as with a magnet based CPS

Did you have something else other than CPS in mind when you said magnetic pickup?

Originally Posted by Carl Morris

Uhhh...hrrrm. I was just speculating/educated guessing. As far as I can tell they have been working on this for a while. What I find interesting is that it would appear they had no intention of talking about it publicly but perhaps changed their minds when I got close?

they didnt change their minds, they wanted to stay quiet and say all along that NOTHING was wrong and mislead. THIS is why YOU get the credit. I dont care if they were secretly talking about it for months, noone said anything until you did. IF, IF it works, take a bow. IF it doesnt, at least you proved why its better to get public involved on things rather than promote superiority and an infallible persona

Originally Posted by LostMarine

they didnt change their minds, they wanted to stay quiet and say all along that NOTHING was wrong and mislead. THIS is why YOU get the credit. I dont care if they were secretly talking about it for months, noone said anything until you did. IF, IF it works, take a bow. IF it doesnt, at least you proved why its better to get public involved on things rather than promote superiority and an infallible persona

Just to be clear - Shiv was not part of the discussion prior. It was only myself, tmo335tt and the 3rd guy. Since we were all in the same boat we decided to start a discussion to tell each other what we had done, and what we were thinking about doing.

I did not say anything in this thread because I didn't want to until I had put my new SMFW and clutch in and tried it. The cat was let out of the bag prior to that, so that's when I went ahead and confirmed it.

If it makes everyone here happy....Carl, you are the man!!! Great job.
I just want my damn car to work!

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe

Just to be clear - Shiv was not part of the discussion prior. It was only myself, tmo335tt and the 3rd guy. Since we were all in the same boat we decided to start a discussion to tell each other what we had done, and what we were thinking about doing.

I did not say anything in this thread because I didn't want to until I had put my new SMFW and clutch in and tried it. The cat was let out of the bag prior to that, so that's when I went ahead and confirmed it.

If it makes everyone here happy....Carl, you are the man!!! Great job.
I just want my damn car to work!

I didnt mean to lump you in, obviously you posted, or at least responded to posts, removing you from that category

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe

Just to be clear - Shiv was not part of the discussion prior. It was only myself, tmo335tt and the 3rd guy. Since we were all in the same boat we decided to start a discussion to tell each other what we had done, and what we were thinking about doing.

I did not say anything in this thread because I didn't want to until I had put my new SMFW and clutch in and tried it. The cat was let out of the bag prior to that, so that's when I went ahead and confirmed it.

If it makes everyone here happy....Carl, you are the man!!! Great job.
I just want my damn car to work!

Just disable misfire detection and go back to the damn track! one run and u can flash back after to whatever you want.

Originally Posted by themyst

Just disable misfire detection and go back to the damn track! one run and u can flash back after to whatever you want.

+100

Originally Posted by themyst

Just disable misfire detection and go back to the damn track! one run and u can flash back after to whatever you want.

They can't flash at home. He would have to mail the DME in for that...

Just disable the clearly inadequate DME software feature made for emissions guys if you get a misfire you'll know you got it only this way the DME won't worry about the environment and won't cut fuel out

If there was a way to disable the resulting DME fuel cut while keeping misfire detection on to set the code and the CEL (so it tells you that it thinks a misfire happened) that'd probably be the best intermediary solution until its possible to adjust misfire detection itself more accordingly

In terms of scoping the CPS signal, Shiv had his scope hooked up to the CPS signal wire, bypassed procede's CPS circuit disabling it, when he was up here 2 years ago and after 5 days of running the car all sorts of ways including scope readings there was no noise detected in the signal and I had my DMFW in there back then too