• 11's stock - Road and Track tests the PDK 991 Carrera S and hits 11.8@118.4, on par with a 997 GT3

                    
      		   
      Published on 01-27-2012 09:31 AM
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      Well, the PDK Carrera S is simply a heck of a lot faster than the manual. This makes for two tests of the PDK hitting 118 MPH trap speeds in the 1/4 mile (the other being Car and Driver). The quickest and fastest the manual has gone through the 1/4 mile that we have seen is 12.7@113. We will likely see quicker and faster manual numbers than that but the PDK is clearly the superior performance option.
      11.8 stock is very impressive. This puts the 991 Carrera S with less horsepower than a 997 GT3 right about on par with it. With a supercharger it is going to be quite a mean little car. Mid 11's or even better should be possible with bolt on's. Who would have thought that would be possible? Now just imagine if the GT3 got a PDK. It is our belief for it to stay competitive, it will need to.






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      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 01-27-2012, 08:02 AM
        GT3 should be offered with just manual.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i - 01-27-2012, 08:32 AM
        Wow, that's impressive for a stock car!! Porsche really did things the right way and shaved some kgs off the new 991. Hopefully BMW will head into the same direction with the next M3.

        Can't wait to see what the GT3 will achieve! And I agree with Sticky: If Porsche wants the GT3 to compete with Ferrari or Lambo, it needs PDK.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine - 01-27-2012, 11:49 AM
        what is the HP/TQ of this car and a 997 GT3?
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 01-27-2012, 12:03 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        what is the HP/TQ of this car and a 997 GT3?
        997.2 GT3: 429 HP, 317 lb-ft.
        991 CS2 :400 HP, 325 lb-ft.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH - 01-27-2012, 12:05 PM
        Nice exhaust note.
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster - 01-27-2012, 04:20 PM
        Real drivers wouldn't even consider a Ferrari or Lambo over a GT3. There really is no comparison, and when did driving become about objective data like laptimes, 1/4 mile times, etc.?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky - 01-27-2012, 05:15 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        Real drivers wouldn't even consider a Ferrari or Lambo over a GT3. There really is no comparison, and when did driving become about objective data like laptimes, 1/4 mile times, etc.?
        DCT will allow better laptimes as well and for you to concentrate more on things like the turns as well as be more consistent.

        Plenty of real drivers would consider Ferrari's over a GT3.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky - 01-27-2012, 05:21 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        And I agree with Sticky: If Porsche wants the GT3 to compete with Ferrari or Lambo, it needs PDK.
        Exactly, it already has a displacement and power disadvantage.
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        Sticky - 01-27-2012, 05:21 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        GT3 should be offered with just manual.
        No, it should be offered with an option for both. Look at how quick the 991 is because of PDK.
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        JonsC63AMG - 01-27-2012, 05:45 PM
        I want PDK.Click here to enlarge
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 - 01-27-2012, 06:12 PM
        This is an amazing car... It really is. I want it SO badly, it's not even funny.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 01-28-2012, 01:47 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No, it should be offered with an option for both. Look at how quick the 991 is because of PDK.
        It's like saying GT3 should be offered with both NA and FI engine since with FI it's much faster.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD - 01-28-2012, 02:20 AM
        keep the GT3 manual, make the Gt2 PDK if you want it. GT3 is all about NA/RWD/Manual Gearbox fun! Not about the fastest lap time
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky - 01-28-2012, 05:40 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        It's like saying GT3 should be offered with both NA and FI engine since with FI it's much faster.
        No, because those are different motors not transmissions. If you can get more out of your motor, do it. The GT3 can be quicker without turbos.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i - 01-28-2012, 05:49 AM
        I think a PDK would take what everyone raves about the gt3 being so good, the fact that it is so fun to drive. Sure a PDK is faster, but it just doesn't have that fun soul anymore, not having a manual clutch is kinda boring.....

        Edit: but each one has their own opinions as to what is more fun, so whatever
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 01-28-2012, 07:49 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No, because those are different motors not transmissions. If you can get more out of your motor, do it. The GT3 can be quicker without turbos.
        Different motors or different transmissions, doesn't matter. This car wasn't meant to go fast in straight line, they have Turbo model for that. Nor even setting the fastest lap time, That's GT2's job. GT3 is all about having the pleasure of driving.
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster - 01-28-2012, 04:00 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        DCT will allow better laptimes as well and for you to concentrate more on things like the turns as well as be more consistent.

        Plenty of real drivers would consider Ferrari's over a GT3.
        I should have said real drivers in the real world. On the track, even a manual-lover like me would love a dual clutch. I've had some track time in an open wheel formula car with a true sequential gearbox and it was a revelation. It didn't have paddle shifters (just a lever to pull back for upshifts, push forwards for downshifts) and you still had to rev-match your own downshifts but you could do full throttle upshifts without the clutch. I've also driven a similar formula car with paddles (no clutch pedal required) and it definitely allows you to focus more on the track.

        My point was on the street, lap times are completely irrelevant and in my experience a Ferrari is designed to make you look like a great driver (by covering up your mistakes) and a Lamborghini is just designed to be fun (nothing wrong with that, but they're like Audis: no steering feel and they aren't very easy to rotate on the brakes or throttle = not very fun) driving a Porsche in the real world is just so much more fun and the GT3 is the KING of that.

        With that said, plenty of people do track their GT3s and GT3 RSs so I think they should be able to buy one with a dual clutch if they prefer that, but I would be very disappointed if I couldn't also get the transmission I prefer.

        I should say that I grew up racing go karts so I prefer my cars to rotate and behave like go karts, maybe that's why I think most cars are too soft. I'm sure I'm in the minority.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky - 01-28-2012, 04:39 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Different motors or different transmissions, doesn't matter. This car wasn't meant to go fast in straight line, they have Turbo model for that. Nor even setting the fastest lap time, That's GT2's job. GT3 is all about having the pleasure of driving.
        Absolutely it matters, Porsche doesn't race the Turbo in ALMS.

        The car needs to be quick in a straight line as well, it's a factor. The GT3 is definitely about setting quick laptimes, don't know what you are talking about.
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        Sticky - 01-28-2012, 04:40 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        I should have said real drivers in the real world. On the track, even a manual-lover like me would love a dual clutch. I've had some track time in an open wheel formula car with a true sequential gearbox and it was a revelation. It didn't have paddle shifters (just a lever to pull back for upshifts, push forwards for downshifts) and you still had to rev-match your own downshifts but you could do full throttle upshifts without the clutch. I've also driven a similar formula car with paddles (no clutch pedal required) and it definitely allows you to focus more on the track.

        My point was on the street, lap times are completely irrelevant and in my experience a Ferrari is designed to make you look like a great driver (by covering up your mistakes) and a Lamborghini is just designed to be fun (nothing wrong with that, but they're like Audis: no steering feel and they aren't very easy to rotate on the brakes or throttle = not very fun) driving a Porsche in the real world is just so much more fun and the GT3 is the KING of that.

        With that said, plenty of people do track their GT3s and GT3 RSs so I think they should be able to buy one with a dual clutch if they prefer that, but I would be very disappointed if I couldn't also get the transmission I prefer.

        I should say that I grew up racing go karts so I prefer my cars to rotate and behave like go karts, maybe that's why I think most cars are too soft. I'm sure I'm in the minority.
        Exactly. A bunch of GT3 RS guys get the car to squeeze out every last tenth over a GT3 and a PDK would help them do that especially on the track. Having the option would be best.