HPF opens up AEM EMS E46 M3 turbo tuning options by unlocking the piggyback - Response to pressure from Pro-EFI?

Originally Posted by Sticky

So even if you make changes with the 4 hours of support you are buying you lose the warranty?

Do you keep the warranty with the Pro-EFI if Jason@Pro-EFI tunes it?

Yea the warrant is gone once HPF unlocks the aem.

I was thinking that they would have the proefi locked and tuned by Jason, so I could retain the warranty. But it looks like HPF isn't really interested in getting proefi. So it's give or take, I either go HPF with aem, or build my own kit if they don't, with proefi. If they(HPF) do not do something soon, Im just gonna have to weigh my options. I need my f/i fix NOW.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

Yea the warrant is gone once HPF unlocks the aem.

So $1000 to lose a warranty on a kit that... well, you DEFINITELY want a warranty on? Hm, well, it's cool they offer the option.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

I was thinking that they would have the proefi locked and tuned by Jason, so I could retain the warranty. But it looks like HPF isn't really interested in getting proefi. So it's give or take, I either go HPF with aem, or build my own kit if they don't, with proefi. If they(HPF) do not do something soon, Im just gonna have to weigh my options.

HPF wants to keep everything in house looks like, manifold, turbos, EMS, everything. It won't work, but you are likely correct.

I thought the same thing, Jason would tune it and it would be locked so you should be able to keep your warranty. If HPF is interested in preventing people from switching to Pro-EFI they could play hardball and say they only honor warranties with the AEM... would not be surprise me.

Jason@Pro-EFI built his own kit using the stock intake manifold, don't see why you couldn't.

His manifold blew up also? I know he was pushing it to limits tho. I wouldn't skimp
on intake mani. My opinion.

Originally Posted by BattaM3

His manifold blew up also? I know he was pushing it to limits tho. I wouldn't skimp
on intake mani. My opinion.

I wouldn't skimp either I had no idea it blew. When did that happen and was it at high boost?

You betchya, HPF already announced that if you switch to proefi the warranty is gone. So guys like ccsykes who are switching to proefi are losing there warranty, even if Jason himself tunes it to the kit. Sucks, but I get why, but things like the intake manifold should still be covered. Those parts shouldn't effect what ems you have but regardless the warranty is gone.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

You betchya, HPF already announced that if you switch to proefi the warranty is gone.

Good stuff, I missed this. They sure don't like competition eh? So even if the Pro-EFI is locked, Jason tunes it, still no warranty? That is rough!

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

but things like the intake manifold should still be covered. Those parts shouldn't effect what ems you have but regardless the warranty is gone.

Agreed.

Hopefully after things settle down, I could buy my kit and have HPF tune it with proefi and lock it. When enough people switch the aem out maybe they will honor a limited warranty. Like the turbo is not covered amongst other things but components that have nothing to do with the switch or couldn't effect if they fail are covered. Who know, I'm just glad I can weigh my options and didn't go with HPF last year before the proefi came out, and wishing things were different. Time will tell I guess.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

Hopefully after things settle down, I could buy my kit and have HPF tune it with proefi and lock it. When enough people switch the aem out maybe they will honor a limited warranty. Like the turbo is not covered amongst other things but components that have nothing to do with the switch or couldn't effect if they fail are covered. Who know, I'm just glad I can weigh my options and didn't go with HPF last year before the proefi came out, and wishing things were different. Time will tell I guess.

Definitely, things are getting very interesting in the s54 scene. More competition, more development, more talk, I'm liking it.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Good stuff, I missed this. They sure don't like competition eh? So even if the Pro-EFI is locked, Jason tunes it, still no warranty? That is rough

I get where they are coming from. But if a new product comes out that has more failsafes and options, why wouldn't they utilize it. Would seem like a bad business move but Chris seems like a good business man and will hopefully do what's best for the customers. After years of kits being made, something better always comes along, I really hope that I can get an HPF kit which has proven itself to me, with proefi, an updated platform that will perform better than Aem. Just the no sevice light alone, I would think would bring in many customers and HPF would be flying Jason in already.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Definitely, things are getting very interesting in the s54 scene. More competition, more development, more talk, I'm liking it.

I'm loving it haha.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

I get where they are coming from. But if a new product comes out that has more failsafes and options, why wouldn't they utilize it.

Only one reason, $. They invested a ton in the AEM, they want that money back.

I also want to say that only time will tell. The proefi looks great, but until it's proven with many miles put on s54's, I'm not jumping on it. I hope the best for the HPF guys that are making the switch as we speak, and patiently waiting to see the outcome and if it's best for me. I'm really hoping there are no smoke and mirrors with proefi, and it works wonders for the f/I community. The whole vanos thing is what worrys me, HPF made the decision that they had the keep a check engine light over it. And Jason says it's simply not needed to control the vanos in a turbo m3. I hope so, I'm skeptical because I would think that HPF would do everything in their power to not throw a code but they said it was needed. I really hope that this new platform works wonders.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

I also want to say that only time will tell. The proefi looks great, but until it's proven with many miles put on s54's, I'm not jumping on it. I hope the best for the HPF guys that are making the switch as we speak, and patiently waiting to see the outcome and if it's best for me. I'm really hoping there are no smoke and mirrors with proefi, and it works wonders for the f/I community. The whole vanos thing is what worrys me, HPF made the decision that they had the keep a check engine light over it. And Jason says it's simply not needed to control the vanos in a turbo m3. I hope so, I'm skeptical because I would think that HPF would do everything in their power to not throw a code but they said it was needed. I really hope that this new platform works wonders.

There are a couple members here making the switch (honest and nice guys) so we will know the truth and impressions from them soon enough.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Only one reason, $. They invested a ton in the AEM, they want that money back.

Very very true, but sometimes the times change and you have to go with what's new and better. I'm sure HPF isn't doing to bad money wise, that this couldn't be an option if they wanted.

That's the best part, I know Marcus will put everything out there.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

Very very true, but sometimes the times change and you have to go with what's new and better. I'm sure HPF isn't doing to bad money wise, that this couldn't be an option if they wanted.

That's the best part, I know Marcus will put everything out there.

We're talking an investment of a 1/4 million. That isn't, "times change oh well" that is, "We better get our $#@!ing money back!"

Originally Posted by Sticky

We're talking an investment of a 1/4 million. That isn't, "times change oh well" that is, "We better get our $#@!ing money back!"

LOL, I get that, but the amount the kits cost, and the fact most people upgrade to bigger kits, or start out with crazy pricey high stages, makes me think that they are already in the green and recuperated all their R&D spent.

I don't know, I'm not there accountant...haha. Well like I said, time will tell. Its, they either make money with it or lose money with out it. The fact that proefi is available means they are already losing money.

AEM contract maybe?

So Chris said that there are now over 100 HPF kits out there, even if they were all stage 1's, that's 1.5 million just on kits. We all know that they aren't all stage ones and the prices of the higher stages doubles the stage 1, not to mention, installation, and HPF clutches that are needed for any kit, and all the add one that most HPF guys buy like traction control, diffs, and boing HPF CF.

I know that there are production costs, but even with them I'm sure the company is far into the positive and payed back those r&d cost a long ways back. So hopefully I'm right about that and they give the customer what they want, wich is always the latest and best for their cars. Hopefully proefi proves itself and is something HPF offers in time.

I mean cmon already, the customers have spoken and are going this route regardless of loss of warranty, so that's gotta say something to them.

Originally Posted by BattaM3

AEM contract maybe?

I hope not.

Originally Posted by Bmxpert86

So Chris said that there are now over 100 HPF kits out there, even if they were all stage 1's, that's 1.5 million just on kits. We all know that they aren't all stage ones and the prices of the higher stages doubles the stage 1, not to mention, installation, and HPF clutches that are needed for any kit, and all the add one that most HPF guys buy like traction control, diffs, and boing HPF CF.

I know that there are production costs, but even with them I'm sure the company is far into the positive and payed back those r&d cost a long ways back. So hopefully I'm right about that and they give the customer what they want, wich is always the latest and best for their cars. Hopefully proefi proves itself and is something HPF offers in time.

I mean cmon already, the customers have spoken and are going this route regardless of loss of warranty, so that's gotta say something to them.

We really don't know their finances but in all likelihood they are in the green.

If you check out my interview with Chris though from a little while back he said they still had money to get back: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...sepower-Freaks