Weistec releases CNC ported/polished M156 (C63 AMG) aftermarket heads 50+ hp gains, $4895

Sticky,

I think you just have to be careful on what's being claimed. Not the first ported-heads solution, but the first CNC-ported-heads solution. Also, the vague, general claim that "Heads can add an extra 40-50 HP on naturally aspirated engines, and up to 70 HP on supercharged engines with stock cam shafts." makes me wonder if this has back-to-back dynos to support the marketing piece, or if these are just educated guesses at this point.

Interesting developments, nonetheless.

I dont see why 40-50 hp is an unreasonable gain on an NA motor. almost 400 cfm of flow intake is no joke. If the heads are smallish to begin with, then huge can gains can be realized and are definitely a legitimate claim IMO.

Also, the price seems very reasonable considering this is a MB AMG car and they are CNC'd. A fair price and great mod, I really want to see what these heads can do with an MHP tune and those aftermarket cams and headers. $#@! that would sound HEINOUS!!

Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM

Sticky,

I think you just have to be careful on what's being claimed. Not the first ported-heads solution, but the first CNC-ported-heads solution. Also, the vague, general claim that "Heads can add an extra 40-50 HP on naturally aspirated engines, and up to 70 HP on supercharged engines with stock cam shafts." makes me wonder if this has back-to-back dynos to support the marketing piece, or if these are just educated guesses at this point.

Interesting developments, nonetheless.

Oh I am, which is why I made sure to state there is no dyno to support it and that MHP already had heads available. These numbers should just be taken as unsupported claims as you stated. The new development needs to be reported though even if there isn't support for all the claims.

Reality check time. Ported heads are worth (ours) 18rwhp SAE on a stock longblock N/A M156.

50HP is simply not possible, the castings are too good from the factory. However by looking at the pics evidently weistec didn't agree. Way too much material removed from the ports themselves, bye bye velocity. Also, where did the valve guides go? They're mowed down so far there is no valvetrain stability and the valves will beat the seats to death.

This why not just anyone should port a quality 4v head.

Also, where is the hand finish? Bad enough CNC= Core shift, however look at the tooling marks. Maybe this set wasn't fully finished?

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

Reality check time. Ported heads are worth (ours) 18rwhp SAE on a stock longblock N/A M156.

50HP is simply not possible, the castings are too good from the factory. However by looking at the pics evidently weistec didn't agree. Way too much material removed from the ports themselves, bye bye velocity. Also, where did the valve guides go? They're mowed down so far there is no valvetrain stability and the valves will beat the seats to death.

This why not just anyone should port a quality 4v head.

I'm hoping Weistec backs their claims but I'm inclined to believe you.

LMAO here we go again, another unprofessional bashing attempt by MHP.. Makes me laugh everytime!

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

LMAO here we go again, another unprofessional bashing attempt by MHP.. Makes me laugh everytime!

He isn't bashing, it is a fact Weistec has not supported their claims.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

LMAO here we go again, another unprofessional bashing attempt by MHP.. Makes me laugh everytime!

The only thing unprofessional in this thread is the claim of 50HP gained N/A. Actually that's a flat out lie and I will go on record right now as saying that. Calling out BS is not bashing, grow up.

Do you have the knowledge to dispute what I've said about the ports being too large or the lack of blending between ports and bowls or the valve guides being mowed down?

No you don't, so read and learn.

Originally Posted by Sticky

He isn't bashing, it is a fact Weistec has not supported their claims.

Still unprofessional bashing.

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

The only thing unprofessional in this thread is the claim of 50HP gained N/A. Actually that's a flat out lie and I will go on record right now as saying that. Calling out BS is not bashing, grow up.

Do you have the knowledge to dispute what I've said about the ports being too large or the lack of blending between ports and bowls or the valve guides being mowed down?

No you don't, so read and learn.

Just shut up already....

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

Reality check time. Ported heads are worth (ours) 18rwhp SAE on a stock longblock N/A M156.

50HP is simply not possible, the castings are too good from the factory. However by looking at the pics evidently weistec didn't agree. Way too much material removed from the ports themselves, bye bye velocity. Also, where did the valve guides go? They're mowed down so far there is no valvetrain stability and the valves will beat the seats to death.

This why not just anyone should port a quality 4v head.

I can see 50 chp! with the proper intake manifold and TB set-up. I have always took down the guides a tad bit on ported heads and have had over 100k miles on a set that the guides where ground down.

Originally Posted by 600whp S4

I can see 50 chp! with the proper intake manifold and TB set-up. I have always took down the guides a tad bit on ported heads and have had over 100k miles on a set that the guides where ground down.

I didn't post those facts in the form of a question, you've never seen M156 heads in person, there isn't 50HP to gain anywhere. As for the valve guides, just because it "worked" on one motor doesn't mean it's good practice there's obviously a reason why. Do you know how much M156 valves weigh? All this needs to be taken into consideration and more and the facts aren't publicly available unless you've tested them yourself.

Ever seen a M156 intake manifold? You can't port it, it's half plastic half Mg and perfect in shape. What are you going to do about the stock dual 74mm TBs that are integrated into the bottom of the manifold?

It seems as though you are making blanket statements about motors in general, the shoe doesn't fit here.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Just shut up already....

How about those that know nothing about cylinder head flow shut up and those that do comment objectively.

Thanks and again, goodbye.

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

I didn't post those facts in the form of a question, you've never seen M156 heads in person, there isn't 50HP to gain anywhere. As for the valve guides, just because it "worked" on one motor doesn't mean it's good practice there's obviously a reason why.

Ever seen a M156 intake manifold? You can't port it, it's half plastic half Mg and perfect in shape. What are you going to do about the stock dual 74mm TBs that are integrated into the bottom of the manifold?

It seems as though you are making blanket statements about motors in general, the shoe doesn't fit here.

Isnt the sls intake manifold better? I never mentioned porting the intake mani! I would just send the stocker to wilson and have them fab one up. So if there is not 50 crank hp to gain then there is no point in doing heads on a m156 period end of discussion. When I purchase a C63 it looks like it will get some exhaust and a boat load of spray because everything else seems like a waste of money.

Originally Posted by 600whp S4

Isnt the sls intake manifold better? I never mentioned porting the intake mani! I would just send the stocker to wilson and have them fab one up. So if there is not 50 crank hp to gain then there is no point in doing heads on a m156 period end of discussion. When I purchase a C63 it looks like it will get some exhaust and a boat load of spray because everything else seems like a waste of money.

Better? Depends on what you're looking for. More midrange torque maybe but you cannot use it on a M156 (won't fit under hood) and the TB placement is up front and a different ECU is used to control everything including the different cams and VCT maps.

You cannot use a sheetmetal intake on a MB engine without using standalone.

People don't understand how good the top ends of these motors are, there is 20HP or so to be gained in head porting with stock cams N/A, just goes to show that AMG did a great job similar to BMW with the S85/S65 top ends--nasty stuff.

M156 Top End 101:

These are stock M156 heads, they flow 390cfm/330cfm @ .500" lift @ 28" of water. We benched our own heads before and after and I've also seen one other guy in TX flow them stock and his numbers were dead on with ours 390/328cfm at the same lift.

After Hand porting we see 420-425cfm/370cfm, along with back cut stock valves and a Serdi 5 angle VJ with hand blend. We test with velocity probes not just a bench because a sewer pipe will flow 1000cfm but won't make $#@! for power. You can tell by their flow charts that they didn't gain enough airflow to justify even half the 50HP claimed gains. Facts are facts, sorry guys.









Intake Manifold:







As you can see from the intake manifold pics, you can't do anything to it, and frankly you don't need to, it's a great dual runner design--although I like the SLS TB placement better. We discovered this over 2 years ago when we purchased a complete top end and 2 sets of spare heads for our cylinder head and camshaft program. We spent over 12 months R&Ding the heads.

No disrespect to weistec but we will take the pepsi challenge with them or anyone else, and the claims of gains are just too outlandish not to comment.

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

M156 Top End 101:

These are stock M156 heads, they flow 390cfm/330cfm @ .500" lift @ 28" of water. We benched our own heads before and after and I've also seen one other guy in TX flow them stock and his numbers were dead on with ours 390/328cfm at the same lift.

After Hand porting we see 420-425cfm/370cfm, along with back cut stock valves and a Serdi 5 angle VJ with hand blend. We test with velocity probes not just a bench because a sewer pipe will flow 1000cfm but won't make $#@! for power. You can tell by their flow charts that they didn't gain enough airflow to justify even half the 50HP claimed gains. Facts are facts, sorry guys.

As you can see from the intake manifold pics, you can't do anything to it, and frankly you don't need to, it's a great dual runner design--although I like the SLS TB placement better. We discovered this over 2 years ago when we purchased a complete top end and 2 sets of spare heads for our cylinder head and camshaft program. We spent over 12 months R&Ding the heads.

No disrespect to weistec but we will take the pepsi challenge with them or anyone else, and the claims of gains are just too outlandish not to comment.

and thats how you prove a point. Well done.

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

Better? Depends on what you're looking for. More midrange torque maybe but you cannot use it on a M156 (won't fit under hood) and the TB placement is up front and a different ECU is used to control everything including the different cams and VCT maps.

You cannot use a sheetmetal intake on a MB engine without using standalone.

People don't understand how good the top ends of these motors are, there is 20HP or so to be gained in head porting with stock cams N/A, just goes to show that AMG did a great job similar to BMW with the S85/S65 top ends--nasty stuff.

If there was a hood that let it fit, could you use the SLS heads?

also, how does the SLS get the extra power over the C63 ? I know my car supposedly has parts from the SLS...but is the extra power on the SLS just do to intake/heads and ecu? seems like some of the parts could be used on our engines, no? or is the whole set up just different and nothing really transfers over?

Originally Posted by MHP LLC

How about those that know nothing about cylinder head flow shut up and those that do comment objectively.

Thanks and again, goodbye.

Andy. I'm glad you're able to voice yourself here! In the other forum, it would have either deleted or the thread is locked.