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  • zach1328's Avatar
    Today, 07:00 PM
    In that first paragraph, I agreed that the n20 is NOT a strong motor. Sure, they screwed up the n20. Who cares? Its one engine...an engine I will never own. Leave it at that - if you think its crap, don't buy it! That doesn't mean all their new engines are crap. I mean, look at the s55. Its already handling over 700whp. If you want 400+ torque, why in the hell would anyone buy the n20 in the first place? The n54, n55, and s55 are all proving to be very strong, very capable 100% unopened engines. For all we know, some unopened n54's could break the 1000whp barrier. Thats what I call a strong engine. Cutting costs or not, the n54 is a STRONG motor. 99% of unopened engines can only dream of reaching 800+whp. The n54 did it. Go tune another unopened production 3.0l 6 cylinder to 800whp and lets see what happens. BOOM! However, you're right. Since the n54 has a BMW badge it should be able to handle 2500whp without breaking a sweat. 800whp is more than enough. There aren't even street tires that can safely put down 800whp, so why do we need engines that are stronger than that? It just doesn't make sense to build an engine any stronger.
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  • pr3ci5n335i's Avatar
    Today, 06:49 PM
    Anybody here from SoCal that has a MT (upgraded clutch) N54 and is currently FBO, BMS tuned (JB4/BEF), and using either a mix of E85 + Meth or running PI and wants to run Pure N54 stage 2?
    87 replies | 2743 view(s)
  • AdminTeam's Avatar
    Today, 06:46 PM
    Welcome to a real enthusiast forum Jcoccy335.
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 06:45 PM
    I had a pretty shitty day actually, but I did get 2 sets of 2+ out the door, and the two stage 3 kits, so it could have been worse. Were taking our annual holiday start tomorrow. I should be hooking up the boat, jet skis in a little while, and heading out to the lake for some much needed R&R. I prob shouldn't have made this thread, but the guy really erked me when he posted the misleading inlet results, and made thread, after thread about how awesome his turbos were going to be. I mean shit, our first N54 turbos didn't perform as expected, it happens sometimes when you are new to a platform.
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  • Legionofboom's Avatar
    Today, 06:26 PM
    I dont think he's in the right for attacking vendors as you say, obviously, but two wrongs dont make a right. The results speak for themselves, the rest is you just trying to bash him, You have to be the bigger guy, the better person, and not lower yourself down like this. We have talked before and you seem like a genuinely good guy. Just relax a bit, sounds like you had a bad day. Also, No i don't want tracking numbers, I want to see your Stg 3, e85+PI and punisher motor results. (like everyone else). You don't need to be a dick about it.
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  • The Ghost's Avatar
    Today, 06:14 PM
    Nope, that feature doesn't exist. Let's keep this post on his results. We can discuss line lock in the other I linked above.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 06:14 PM
    What I would like more is for manufacturers to put as much effort into their cooling systems as they into marketing their peak horsepower. A BMW M car that goes into limp mode after a lap? That's a joke.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 06:12 PM
    Looking forward to seeing this option hit. Pure Turbos stuff is pretty damn impressive in the N55/S55 sphere.
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  • leveraged sellout's Avatar
    Today, 06:10 PM
    I think it's a good thing overall, because like someone said in the other thread, it's like a worst-case-scenario number. You know that under almost any circumstances, it's going to make *at least* that much. For example, look at th Z06 and how many issues with heatsoak that car has had...those given power numbers are pretty much a first-run, once-a-day thing...after that, it starts to drop off. Where as with a German car, you know that you're gong to be comfortably making at least the given power figures, in 90% of the situations you find yourself in. I kind of like that.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 06:07 PM
    This leaves kind of a big inconsistency in ratings making them almost meaningless. The BMW M4 is essentially doing at the wheels what it is rated at the crank. That's crazy.
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  • leveraged sellout's Avatar
    Today, 06:05 PM
    Nope, only GM does it as far as I know...the other two American manufacturers might but I can't remember exactly. The Germans do not. And that's totally fine with me, I like looking at BMW/Mercedes/Audi power figures and knowing they may be as much as 15% higher than reported, sometimes more.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 06:05 PM
    Tony's product is better and has better results. I kind of feel the for the guy as Tony feels he attacked him so obviously he put this up to show how he came up short. However, he feels like Tony attacked him and that the 'bigger' vendors pushed him around. He's trying but effort isn't good enough for most of you and that's fine. People want the best for their money.
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 06:02 PM
    Actually yes, two stage 3 kits shipped out today to Spain. Would you like tracking. Guess that ends the Stage 3 talk right? Since this is exactly what this guy deserves for thinking he can attack every current vendor, and claim he is an expert. The best part is, he has no idea why they are not working, he was 100% sure they were going to strap down and lay down 700WHP. Thats the scary part, he is building turbo upgrades for people armed with information he learned on the internet, not from experience.
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  • lamboworld's Avatar
    Today, 06:01 PM
    I wish him the best of luck but there is no way I would spend $3,500 on an individual building turbos on his own. Rob, Tony and Pure have a long track record and I would only spend my money with someone that has some history with results.
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  • Legionofboom's Avatar
    Today, 05:59 PM
    Tony, Man just stop. This would have been a great opportunity to post those results and just shut up. Let the results speak. On that note, stage 3 updates?
    16 replies | 128 view(s)
  • Fishayyy's Avatar
    Today, 05:38 PM
    It looks like you were also talking about the JB4 being used in place of a line lock. I assume that wasn't a possibility?
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  • Terry@BMS's Avatar
    Today, 05:37 PM
    Yeah I try to stay out of the drama. All manufacturers try stuff and if it doesn't work you change something and try again. And repeat until you have something that works. Or give up. That's just R&D at its most fundamental level.
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  • Fr3nch's Avatar
    Today, 05:30 PM
    Try using a white art eraser. I've had that before and it worked for me. Something like one of these guys: Good luck hope it helps!
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 05:28 PM
    He means his 3rd party data, like his EGT's BP, etc, etc, etc. None of them line up with known values for the N54, he used the cheapest sensors he could find, and his data is honestly not accurate at all. 1 psi pressure drop through an entire system? Not possible at all, his EGT's are WAY too low, his BP, out to lunch. Nothing adds up.
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 05:26 PM
    Terry, thanks for the info. You know why I posted this, because this guy was so vocal about what his turbos were going to do. He kept throwing 700WHP around like it was a for gone conclusion. Sometimes you need a little humble pie to bring you back to reality. I have had my share of humble pie, and less than expected results, it comes with the job.
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 05:21 PM
    I would have never posted this, but this guy seriously WENT HARD, attacking us, attacking RB, telling everyone how he was going to change the game. He made that post with misleading data about the inlets, he went OUT OF HIS WAY to try to prove his products were going to do X. So far he is shooting blanks. Bottom line is, its gonna be really really hard to build better N54 upgrades, at a better price point than we offer, as we have gone through all the growing pains, and testing for almost 3 years. Either way, I wont say anything else about it. Just watch from the sidelines.
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  • Terry@BMS's Avatar
    Today, 05:20 PM
    I have his dyno data but won't share it. The turbos worked OK but didn't produce the expected power for the boost levels. When we saw power was so far below projected we didn't really bother trying to fine tune it. I think it did 600whp at 30psi. I'm sure it has another 25whp if we were to invest the time but since they probably have to come apart anyway I didn't think it was worth the effort. A local guy made 600whp with his VT2s, inlets, and port injection, at 26psi, so it's not like it's an awful result. Last I heard he's going to try some things and get back to the drawing board.
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  • Kirst's Avatar
    Today, 05:20 PM
    I can't remember exactly as this was a few minths ago. But i tend to alternate between autoglyn and bowdens own products. I've tried everything to get rid of it. Leather cleaner has not worked as someone suggested. Actually now that I think of it it was most likely after I used bowdens rapid detailer as I ran out of autoglym and it's pretty expensive in aus
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  • fastgti69's Avatar
    Today, 05:16 PM
    Makes me remember when I got a custom 25G on my Cobalt SS after the 6758 EFR. On paper it looked very very good, until we got it on the car. That's just the name of the game sometimes.
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  • 135pats's Avatar
    Today, 05:15 PM
    Meh, he was honest about the results not being as expected. Move along... Your product is better, Tony. Just stand on that and leave the petty stuff to us customers. It's obvious that you know the stock frame constraints better than most.
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  • 7plagues's Avatar
    Today, 05:08 PM
    He said he was running E85 with meth for chemical cooling.
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  • Ingeniator's Avatar
    Today, 05:07 PM
    His data doesn't even make sense. What fuel is he running does he have egt or tit data to prove it is a reversion issue.
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  • 7plagues's Avatar
    Today, 05:07 PM
    He still built a twin set up from the ground up in under 6 months or something, so props there. I'm sure something is off, no N54 making 30+psi should be under 650rwhp.
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  • Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 04:57 PM
    Well MMP is hiding out on E90, and posted that he made a whopping 610WHP at 34 psi, no logs posted, not dyno graph posted. This is after testing, and tuning for over a month, with some of the best tuners on the platform lending a helping hand. Needless to to say, we at VTT are not surprised. His data is also very very suspect. He wants us to believe he has less than 1 psi pressure drop across the entire system (not possible), use cheap sensors, get bad data. So for $3799 you get 610WHHP at 34 psi at 12 degrees of timing, and the joy of rearranging your entire engine bay. Or $3998 for Stage 2+, and inlets for 681WHP at 27 psi, and 10 degrees of timing. Hmmmmm..:think: Back to drawing board ole buddy. Hate me for posting this if you want. But this proves just about every argument I tried to make about that set up, and most people called me a hater. I might be abrasive but I know N54 turbo upgrades. Have a good 4th people...:usaflag: Quote from E90: "So I went to the dyno Friday before I installed the new exhaust components and did some tuning with the JB4 on the dyno for about 1.5 hrs. Results were not as expected and basically made 610whp on high boost. for the boost I was pushing it was on the order of 100whp less than expected. I did not touch vanos but I recently got new vanos tables to try out from my buddy Wedge that seem to have a large effect on power so plan on going to the dyno to retest. It may need a design iteration though to change out the turbine wheel if I cant get more power out of the turbos. Its weird because the data shows just less than 2:1 BP at 30+ psi boost, also EGT was between 1100-1150F for all high HP runs WGDC is below 75 even pushing up to 34psi of boost at redline, compressor outlet temp is not super high (i.e. in an acceptable efficiency range), running 9-12deg timing 12.5 AFR. IAT was 100F using small meth nozzle for chemical cooling. compressor pressure ratios were also in check with very little pressure loss (<1psi) through all the boost piping, intercooler, and throttle. The turbos make boost to redline without a problem at all, its just not translating to power on the dyno/in the engine with my preliminary dyno runs. I think vanos has alot to do with it because at higher backpressures due to higher boost, if vanos is not tuned right to minimize valve overlap, you will get alot of power robbing exhaust reversion from the valve overlap period. should have more results soon with new vanos changes but dont know if that will ultimately get me to the 700whp+ mark I need to be (probably not) so like I said may require upgrading the turbine size but wont know until I try more tuning and also try a flash only tune as JB4 was getting some pretty bad oscillations in upper RPM boost control that were difficult to manage on the dyno through just PID gain and FF duty changes. Talked to wedge and we are working out on scheduling a dyno tuning session for the turbos for a flash only tune. I'm looking at adding a mass airflow sensor to my DAQ system to confirm air mass being pushed by the turbos and not just what boost they are making and air intake temp."
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  • AdminTeam's Avatar
    Today, 04:54 PM
    DeandreMcv, we appreciate you taking the time to join.
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